The Junkers Ju-87 Stuka topic.

The automatic pull out was connected to the bomb drop mech, so when the bomb left the pull out was engaged, I’m pretty sure this happened always, even if the pilot was still conscious.

Nice info Tiger & aleph, some pictures.

First proto with 600 hp british V-12, probably one of the ugliest aifract ever saw.

Ju-87B variant of the LG 1.

Calibrating the MG-17s in a B-2 note the rear circle mounting for the defensive MG-15…and the very smoky leutchspur tracer in the shooting.

Funny thing the Stuka was the first aicraft to achieve an air victory in WW2.

Interesting facts. You are right, that prototype is ugly.

Maybe is wasn’t all about how beautiful the aircraft was? ;-D

When you see 200kg bombs coming directly towards you, the tendency to admire the beauty of bomber design decreases - god knows why ;-D

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Right you are.:wink:

The “D” variant was little less ugly…I think:

The first air combat in WW2.


Frank Neubert was born on September 28th, 1915 in Herrenalb/Schwarzwald. He belonged to the “Immelmann-Geschwader” since 1936. He took part in invasion at Poland - “Fall Weiss” operation. Early morning September 1st, 1939, his dive bomber unit started to destroy Polish airbase in Krakow (base was empty - a day before Polish air forces were moved to reserve airfields).

But in clouds Neubert and his gunner Franz Klinger, lost ordinance with other unit crews and lost course. Few minuts he looked for main target and find another “lost” Ju 87B. They located at last (empty) Krakow airfield and dropped their bombs. Dive bombers were on return way, when Neubert saw a pair of landed P-24’s (note: they just started and there were PZL P-11c’s). He noticed, that one of them come after Lt. Branderburg’s Ju 87, and decided to attack Polish fighters. Frank Neubert shooted two good targeted series into Cpt. Medwecki (commander of Squadron) plane. “Eleventh” stand in fire and crashed into ground. This same time second Polish fighter, piloted by Sec.Lt. Wladyslaw Gnys fast come out from German attack. After few second Gnys took position after Brandeburg’s “Stuka” and opened fire. The cloud rescued German plane. They luckily all returned to main Nieder-Ellguth airfield. In this battle Farnk Neubert scored probably first air victory in WW II. It’s depend from time of attack: some sources reported that’s happend at 5:30 a.m., but most facts and relations pointed the right time about 7:00 a.m. In that case first air winner in WW II will be Lt. Stanislaw Skalski , after his own relation he downed alone reconn Hs 126 at 5:32 a.m.

From 10 May 1940 to July 1940 Frank Neubert flew as Staffelführer of the 1./St.G. 2, from July to Sept 1940 Staffelkapitän 2./St.G. 2. Next Gruppenkommandeur 1./St.G. 2 between September 1941 and January 1942.

Franz Neubert, stuka pilot, managed to achieve the first
air-to-air kill of the WW2.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/luftwaffe.htm

Stukas in color:

Our brave Ju 87 are ready to take off… With us is also one Stuka of the shark-squadron… The bombs are loaded…"
" Next to our plane goes the first formation… I ask wether I can make pictures, and am allowed until the bombs are going to be dropped

“Soon we will reach our targets… One plane leaves the formation, turns around to dive, through the white clouds, towards the target… The climax is when the plane is in a straight line with the target, and the bombs are released… Hundreds of kilo’s lighter, the airplane goes to a horizontal flight, and climbes back towards the clouds… The mission was succesfull, and soon the pilot gets out of his seat to make a rapport…”

http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/signal12.html

Rudel in combat, very good video.

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C0055BA58DF030103009D21A8C0170A000000&inf=506240&outf=665560&funktion=play250k

Another color photo of this indeed useful and versatile German aircraft:

Ju 87 B Stuka – Stab, I Sturzkampfgeschwader 2 Immelman – Signal, U/Nr. 12/41

Beautiful picture :slight_smile:

Thank you, my dear Mr. Panzerknacker. :slight_smile:

However, I think that the following picture is even more captivating one. As a matter of fact, it was taken by Chef-Bildoffizier (I c Bild) of the Führungsstab Luftflottenkommando 2 , colonel Hans Ruef near Momonova (USSR), on the 15th of July 1941.

It explicitly describes factual possibilities of dive-bombing, as well as enormous importance of the Junkers 87 in early stages of war with Soviet Union.

Inscription: Bombenvolltreffer auf Tankzug – A direct bomb-hit on the tank-wagon, Stabia LFL 2, July 15th, 1941. Photo taken by colonel Hans Ruef.

Original photography is nowadays included into Photo Library of the German Air Force. It was captured by US Air Force investigators and transferred into USA in September of 1945, during the operation Dick Tracy.

He,he, very good one, I think that today this is called "surgical precision ", even sometimes is not as far accurate . :rolleyes:

Nice secuence of the deliver of a SC 250 bomb over fort Pilastrino outside Tobruk by a Ju-87B.

Note the mechanism used to avoid the bomb to hit the propellers,

well, it prooved as a good bomber indeed on many theaters of war, but it was totally no match for allied fighters, allthough I read the JU was more manouverable than many expected. this plane had the same problem like the HE111 and the Bf109:

they all HAD to be replaced in the second half of the war by more modern variants, but Germany was not able to do so, so these types had to stay in service until the bitter end. in this role, all of them did not too bad, which speaks for the constructions in general, but the JU87 was totally outdated after 1942 at least. the FW190 took this part as schlachtflieger, when being used as ground-attack-planes. I would say the Il2 was a better ground-attacker, btw.

jens

There was a attemp to recreate the Il-2 type in the Stuka, that was the Ju-87D-5 nad D-7 which had his dive brakes removed and the Mauser 20 guns instead the MG-17s.

Also the D-5 and D-7 were used for night low level attacks, at list in this task it was sucessful even in the italian front.

D-8

JU-87 blasting some french tanks:

http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-2345751827308151969

Magnificent photos, my dear Mr. Panzerknacker! Thank you very much indeed – these descriptive captions are absolutely unique certificatory artifacts. Well done!

And here are some results of my recent factographic research. Perhaps you can call them – forgotten Ju 87 basics.

Firstly a cut-away portrait of Ju 87 from 1943:

And now that famous “smiling shark” look, affiliated only with another unduly underestimated airplane – with Curtiss P-40.

Finally, here you have an original schematic description, as well as a straight shot of that notorious, but habitually misinterpreted Sturzflugautomatik (automated pull-out) device.

I think that aforementioned piece of airplane equipment deserves some additional explanations. As you know, dive-bombing always was and still is connected with the high G-forces, completely capable to generate total unconsciousness of the pilot, together with all those concomitant flight perils. Confronted with aforementioned threat German engineers have introduced back in 1937. an automated pull-out mechanism, that was installed in all Junkers 87 airplanes, which enormously facilitated the complex task of dive-bombing.

General concept was highly inventive and completely pilot-oriented one. Usually flying at normal cruising height and speed Ju 87 pilot was able to locate his target through a window in the cockpit floor. Subsequently, target was visually aimed by pilot and after that he was supposed just to decrease the throttle, to close up the radiator grille, to adjust the propeller-pitch to neutral and finally to pull upward the first (smaller one!) lever located on the upper side of the apparatus.

After that dive brakes were driven out automatically by action of the hydraulically operated mechanism, and equally without human intervention activated trim tabs on the elevator surfaces brought the machine into a plunging flight. Additionally, the control stick was limited to an lateral excursion of only 5 degree, toward preventing potentially dangerous maneuvers. However, this limitation actually was overridable by implementation of a strong muscular tractive force (approximately 30 kg), and this possibility was actually used by some renowned, physically able pilots (like Hans Ulrich Rudel) for sharp corrective in-dive maneuvers.

When the aircraft was close to the target, a green light on the altimeter panel indicated the arrival of the previously calculated bomb-release point. With reaching a pre-calculated release height the pilot was obliged just to press a button on the completely neutrally positioned control stick to release a bomb and to initiate the automatic pull-out mechanism. Apparatus was able to automatically reactivate the trim tabs, to retract diving brakes, to open the throttle, to adjust the propeller pitch on “climb”, and finally to levelize the machine. After that the pilot was obliged only to push back that previously activated lever and to retake full operational command.

And yes, I think that very soon you will be… surprised with factual incredibility of some captions, my dear Mr. Flammpanzer. Yes, I do agree with you that good old Ju 87 surely was outdated for 1944, but still Stuka, without doubt, was an outstanding plane. After all – could you imagine consequences of an aerial combat-meeting between… say… Vultee Vengeance and Bf 109 K4?

In the meantime - all the best!

Nicely explained Librarian. :wink:

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And yes, I think that very soon you will be… surprised with factual incredibility of some captions, my dear Mr. Flammpanzer. Yes, I do agree with you that good old Ju 87 surely was outdated for 1944, but still Stuka, without doubt, was an outstanding plane. After all – could you imagine consequences of an aerial combat-meeting between… say… Vultee Vengeance and Bf 109 K4?

no doubt, a very unfair combat. allthough the last G-variants and the K were fine and fast battle machines and in a hand of a skilled pilot surely a match for the mustang, there can not be any doubt that the messerschmitt 109 was on the end of a long and successful construction-period - with hardly any chance of getting any better. just look at the “dangerous” undercarriage with its narrow track, that caused so many accidents and the bad view from the cockpit, despite the newer ERLA-haube.

jens

did Germany make any attempt to improve this plane’s ability to fight another fighter?

or they simply treat it like a small bomber

well, I guess no, because the whole construction was not built to do so. the JU fas too slow and too big with a (relatively) weak engine compared to the size and weight of the aircraft to be a match to any fighter. I read that in dogfights some JU achieved some aerial victories, allthough this did not happen too often.

the tactical use was normally to be escorted by fighters, so it was treated like a small bomber. improvements were the twin-MG in the rear, that gave a little better defensive-ability.

jens