I’m totally relaxed, old chap.
For those of you who might have some interest in this thread beyond the incidental and puerile bickering between P.K. and myself, I feel compelled to say that if for no other reason I am pleased to have taken up this activity as it has introduced me to a style of music that, hitherto, I was completely unaware of.
As I have previously mentioned, if I’m going to do something, I like to do it well. So, I took myself off to the music shop and purchased a set of three C.D.'s. The shop held two sets of three, but I figured one set to be suffiecient for the time being.
On the case it states: Argentinian Tango originated in the poor districts of Buenos Aires at the end of the nineteenth century, but quickly became one of the world’s most popular dance styles.
“That’ll do!” methinks.
However, if I had read on I would have noticed that this was a compilation of what has become dubbed as electro-tango in Argentina. These include sounds such as: Tango Chill; Tango Bar and Tango Club.
Happily, for me that is, I rather like this new sound and am particularly taken with Tango Chill. On one of the C.D.'s one or two tracks become a little monotonous. Mainly for two reasons: the first being that the songs are in foreign - but that in itself is not a reason for not listening, as one or two of the ladies have voices that are very easy on the ear; and, second, they can be simple and repetitive, which for simply listening I would not recommend. However, considering that it is intended to be dance music, it would be very suitable for that purpose.
So, my intention is to compile my own disc from the tracks that I favour, as I feel they are very suitable for long motor journeys through the night as well as incidental music when going about other indoor activities.
By the way. The other C.D. set in the shop contains more traditional tango music, and I will probably return there and purchase it at some point, but in the meantime, I would say I made a very fortuitous mistake in choosing this one. 
Here’s a sample (driving through the night - as I figured:) )
Well, it takes two to tango. 
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, it takes two to tango.
Yup, unfortunately Bravo keep always scraping me with his beard everytime we dance togheter. :rolleyes:
In a serious note I might add that the tango world championship happen yearly and it have a fixed location, Buenos Aires.
Are you sure, it was his beard?
I mean the Bravo, claims he like the sexual context in tango:mrgreen:
Did I?
I thought it was the artistry, poise and grace combined with the athletic context which attracted me to the dance, thus allowing my aging frame to remain nimble - I’m already sexy! :lol:
My facial hair has gone the way of that on the top of my head, I’m sorry to report. 
Like this?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynjBJMVTNZs
I’ve been dancing with a lady from Macedonia. She likes to throw herself about like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcNA_9ko04A&feature=related
but she hasn’t acquired the skills, as yet, so she keeps wrapping herself about me…well, you know what these Slav women are like?
…Puts me off my step somewhat! :lol:
MARADONA GOES TO SOUTH AFRIKA !!!
With a last gap goals ( two actually if we count the sunday one of Palermo) we go to African Wold Cup, ha. somehow he pull it off. :mrgreen:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/15/argentina-uruguay-diego-maradona-mario-bolatti
Sunday match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RL-kzC6L_w
Chinese comentators get grazy with palermos s goal
It is ironic, don’t you think, that the production of soya, in Argentina, mainly for export as cattle fodder to Europe and China, has led to the decline of the cattle industry in Argentina itself. Furthermore, it has led to many social problems with the impoverishment of the traditional, agricultural community.
IV. The Rural Exodus and the Growth of Poverty
In 1992, the Argentine government proclaimed that 200,000 producers would have to quit farming because units smaller than 200 hectares were deemed to run at a loss. Small farmers have found it extremely difficult to compete under the economic conditions in the country and the arrival of RR soya has increased the pressure. Small farmers cannot afford the massive machines used for direct drilling and direct drilling and large scale spraying require little manual labour, so many people have sold or rented their land and left, together with workless farm labourers for slums in the cities. Others have been driven out due to threats and violence. “Sowing pools”, powerful investor groups that have replaced contractors and brought in their own employees to grow soya, are farming large areas of land.
The export model exemplified by soya seriously threatens food sovereignty in Argentina. The Argentine diet used to include plenty of cheap meat, dairy produce, lentils, beans and other vegetables. Mixed farming, with animals and crops in rotation, provided good yields but received no support from the government. In recent years, soya has replaced the production of food staples, which are now being imported. This has led to higher food prices for the population. In fifteen years Argentine dairy farms decreased by 50%, from 30,000 in 1988 to 15,000 in 2003. Milk is now being imported from Uruguay at a higher price.
The population of Argentina is predominantly urban, so the rural crisis has long remained invisible. Nobody believed there could be hunger in a country that produced so much food. However, economic instability, public sector reform, wage cuts, the dismantling of national industries, replacing national food crops with RR soya for export and the rural exodus have all had disastrous consequences for ordinary Argentineans.In 1970, 5% of the population were below the poverty line, in 1980 12%, in 1998, 30% and in 2002 51%. Malnutrition among infants is estimated to be somewhere between 11% and 17%, and rising.
In some regions, RR soya is exacerbating old injustices. In the nineteenth century the region of Santiago del Estero supplied the rest of the country with agricultural products. The beginning of the twentieth century saw the massive extraction of timber to make more than 20 million sleepers for the new railway system. Much of the mobile labour force that carried out this work settled on the land afterwards. Argentine law says that if people settle on a piece of land for 20 years it becomes theirs, but the legal process of proof is complex. This has been the case in the province of Santiago del Estero, an area that has long been subject to almost feudal rule, with rampant deforestation and the concentration of land in the hands of the few. In this part of the country and coinciding with the emergence of the soya boom, strangers began to approach long-established peasant communities, claiming to own their land. If they refused to leave, armed groups would steal their cattle, burn their crops and threaten them with violence. Once traditional communities like these are dislodged, the situation becomes irreversible. To counteract this phenomenon, a peasant organisation called the Santiago del Estero Farmers’ Movement (MOCASE – Movimiento Campesino de Santiago del Estero) has been formed to defend the rights of local people. So far, they have had some successes. Nevertheless, the lure of profits from RR soya is the latest and most serious threat to their livelihoods.
True in parth, but the soya has brought an period of unequalled growth in the period 2003-2007 for the producers, the people working for the producers and for the construction business, today you can see new cars ( some of them very pricey) a new houses/apartaments everywhere.
After all soyabean and sunflowers export was the thing wich rescued Argentina from a very bad economical crissis of 2001-02.
If they refused to leave, armed groups would steal their cattle, burn their crops and threaten them with violence. Once traditional communities like these are dislodged, the situation becomes irreversible. To counteract this phenomenon, a peasant organisation called the Santiago del Estero Farmers’ Movement (MOCASE – Movimiento Campesino de Santiago del Estero) has been formed to defend the rights of local people. So far, they have had some successes. Nevertheless, the lure of profits from RR soya is the latest and most serious threat to their livelihoods.
Well, this part ( armed violence) is kind of invention, we are not Brazil in wich the estancia owners imposess its own at shotgun point ( remember incidents like the Chico mendes case), I dont remember any of this in the past years. I do now however that there were several trials in wich people has been legally expelled from their ( supposedly their) land by bigger fatter landowers.
Today the Goverment keeps 34,5 % of the dollars of the export of Soyabean. ( a big, BIG amount of money) teorically to deter the expansion of the cultive…at the same time the Govt in this way had made himself very dependant of it .
I think the big problem with soyabean is the exhaustion of the land, after the harvest only thing you can see is a dusty path of land.
Probably the most balance solution would be a law regulating a proper rotation of the cultives, combining soya with wheat, sunflower, linseed, etc.
Milk is now being imported from Uruguay at a higher price.
Milk as far I now (reading the labels in my fridge) is still coming from our sacred land. However the low ( at list low from the producers point of view) prices thing is always a trouble.
From my point of view, the main problem with soya, is that it is being cultivated to produce bio-fuels. The mad thing about this is that, in the main, and probably not the case in Argentina, they soya producing companies are reducing the rain-forests in order to make way for cultivation. How can that be ecologically sound?
Generally speaking, I think it a sad situation when people are displaced from their traditional ways of life to make way for, so-called, progress. Usually because someone wants to make a fast buck rather than there being any real benefits to the population as a whole.
Having read other reports regarding the cattle industry in Argentina, a very large country, the industry apears to be thriving in other areas, so, perhaps the picture for the country as a whole isn’t quite so glum.
Could be in a small pecentage, I know of first hand ( one of my uncles work for the AFA, federation of argentines farmers) and he told me most of teh soyabean go to asiatic countries for making animal food. other part go to make lecitine, an aditive for candies and other sweets.
Generally speaking, I think it a sad situation when people are displaced from their traditional ways of life to make way for, so-called, progress. Usually because someone wants to make a fast buck rather than there being any real benefits to the population as a whole.
Agreed, soya reason of being is fast buck. In spite of being one of the less complicated cultives is still the best priced.
Having read other reports regarding the cattle industry in Argentina, a very large country, the industry apears to be thriving in other areas, so, perhaps the picture for the country as a whole isn’t quite so glum.
definately is not, however I should tell you a little secret…in spite of the popular images of infinite grass field along our country there are plenty of desertic plains too, completely unsuitable for other thing that goat of lamb. Fortunately the desert can cooperate to make another fine product, wine.
