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#81

Cheers for that 1000, I had assumed that was what he meant, but we all know what happens when one assumes, eh ?

It is a carry sling rather than a shooting aid, and although most of this type can be hastily adapted as a support, they are nowhere near as effective as a properly mounted shooting sling. The SA80 is an example of those which cannot.

Bbl mounted slings, (or bipods,) have an inclination to move the POI due to flexing the bbl, however that on the FAL and SLR are fairly sturdy and it doesn’t have too much effect on man sized tgts at normal battle ranges.
When shooting at longer ranges or on smaller tgts I personally would be inclined to use a different means of sp.

The wpn in the pic is the std Argentine FAL, they also fielded the FAL PARA and the heavy bbl version, (which looks quite different,) known locally as the FAP.
The Aussies and Canucks also used the light support version - the L2A1 and C2 respectively.
The handguards on the pictured FAL are relieved for a bipod, (as used on the Austrian StG58,) but as far as I know it was never issued with one.

#82

I found that using the sling on the SLR polled the POI off by about 2" at 100yds - not conducive to accurate shooting!

#83

Aye - enough to take the rds off a Fig 11 at 200 yds at least.
Although some rifles will be more affected than others, sifting through wpns until the ‘right’ one is found is not a luxury afforded to Toms.

PR shooters found better ways of mounting a sling so it could be used as a shooting aid, but the sport was emasculated in the UK in '88 so many of the useful items are hard to find these days.
Webbing loops around the aft end of the handguards can work well.

#84

right!,i did not know that the foreigners know what are our weapons and how we call them,the FAL PARA is another model,the FAP is the heavy version,and it finishes with P for pesado (heavy) the meaning (at least known here is) FAL here for “fusil automatico liviano” (light automatic rifle) and FAP for “fusil automatico pesado” (heavy automatic rifle) both them are from the same basis,the FAL,we have a few modifications of weapons such as an argentine colt 1911,the FAL is by far the most used rifle in the entire argentina.Excuse my english but i cannot understand your discussion because i do not know what is a sharpshooter,isn’t sniper the same word? (direct translation for sniper is rifle de francotirador that is sniper rifle) and sharpshooter hasn’t a translation for my translator.

greetings.

#85

Aye - enough to take the rds off a Fig 11 at 200 yds at least.
Although some rifles will be more affected than others, sifting through wpns until the ‘right’ one is found is not a luxury afforded to Toms.

PR shooters found better ways of mounting a sling so it could be used as a shooting aid, but the sport was emasculated in the UK in '88 so many of the useful items are hard to find these days.
Webbing loops around the aft end of the handguards can work well.[/quote]

There are some very nice full-float handguards available too, which make one Hell of a difference :wink:

#86

right!,i did not know that the foreigners know what are our weapons and how we call them,the FAL PARA is another model,the FAP is the heavy version,and it finishes with P for pesado (heavy) the meaning (at least known here is) FAL here for “fusil automatico liviano” (light automatic rifle) and FAP for “fusil automatico pesado” (heavy automatic rifle) both them are from the same basis,the FAL,we have a few modifications of weapons such as an argentine colt 1911,the FAL is by far the most used rifle in the entire argentina.Excuse my english but i cannot understand your discussion because i do not know what is a sharpshooter,isn’t sniper the same word? (direct translation for sniper is rifle de francotirador that is sniper rifle) and sharpshooter hasn’t a translation for my translator.

greetings.[/quote]

I posted some gen on the Ballister Molina some months back, can’t remember which thread it was in nor can I find it in the search engine, perhaps it has been deleted.

In the British Army a sharpshooter is an infantryman that has undergone training to enable him to select and engage targets at greater ranges than other soldiers.

A sniper is a soldier that has honed the basic infantry skills to the n-th degree.
He will have passed one of the most difficult courses in the army.
When Brit snipers are in-role they generally use one of the AI wpns, otherwise they’re stuck with the sack of kak everyone else has.

In some countries sharpshooters will use a scoped issue rifle, (eg Argentina,) some permanently arm them with a specialist wpn, (Russia,) and in others they will use the issue rifle until the tactical situation dictates they be used as sharpshooters. (UK)

#87

You wouldn’t happen to have a spare one kicking about, would you ?
(Said Dougal hopefully…)

#88

ah!!!,the tiradores de primero (shooters of 1st),those are the sharpshooters,i know well what is a sniper.thankyou,i think it is still there your post of the ballester molina.

#89

right!,i did not know that the foreigners know what are our weapons and how we call them,the FAL PARA is another model,the FAP is the heavy version,and it finishes with P for pesado (heavy) the meaning (at least known here is) FAL here for “fusil automatico liviano” (light automatic rifle) and FAP for “fusil automatico pesado” (heavy automatic rifle) both them are from the same basis,the FAL,we have a few modifications of weapons such as an argentine colt 1911,the FAL is by far the most used rifle in the entire argentina.Excuse my english but i cannot understand your discussion because i do not know what is a sharpshooter,isn’t sniper the same word? (direct translation for sniper is rifle de francotirador that is sniper rifle) and sharpshooter hasn’t a translation for my translator.

greetings.[/quote]

The UK never went for the FN in HB - the 7.62x51 version of the BREN filled the role admirably & more accurately.
The Aussies, Canadians & Israelis went with the FN HB, which IMO was an error - too heavy for an IW & too light for an LMG.

Note: Edited by Dani. Please use the [/quote] tag properly!

#90

huh?,enough fun topo :?

#91

Topor just placed the [/quote] tag in a wrong place. That’s all. Check his post now.

#92

Topor just placed the “/quote” tag in a wrong place. That’s all. Check his post now.[/quote]
thanks

filled the role admirably & more accurately.

wrong,us were failing,but if they were well cared fn fals,they would have done a good work,greetings

#93

Why would foreigners not know about your countrys weapons Erwin?

Are your designations in Spanish?

I think in Belgium, where the design comes from, FN FAL is Fabric Nationale Fusil Automatic Ledger

Edit to add, spelling might be a bit off.

The word Sniper comes from the Snipe, a bird that was extremely difficult to shoot. Only the best shots coud bag one. Hence the sport of Sniping.

The art of Sniping was originally derided as “not proper” within the British Army at first especially during the late 1800’s.

The idea that a common soldier (ie a Rifleman in the 95th Rifles) could shoot and kill an officer at great distance was seen as distastefull and rude. The officer should meet his equal on the field and fight them.

Then again submarines didn’t take of with the Royal Navy at first either.

Bloody Col blimps.

#94

yes mate,but you told that you do not have this weapon in the royal army,right?

#95

There is no “Royal Army” Erwin.
However the British Army used the FAL (in semi-auto only form) as the L1A1 SLR (self loading rifle) from the late fifties until the late eighties.

#96

oh,i thought they also were royal! :oops: .
topor said:

…The UK never went for the FN…
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#97

The British Army never used the light machine gun version of the FN FAL Erwin, we did use the rifle version though.

#98

ok,then topor was wrong.
thanks.

#99

ok,then topor was wrong.
thanks.[/quote]

Not Quite, he said:

The UK never went for the FN in HB
. The “HB” probably means “Heavy Barrel” which is another name for the Light Machine Gun variant. At the time Britain was using a combination of WWII Brens adapted for 7.62NATO (the LMG) and belt-fed GPMGs (the FN MAG).

Edited to add a ) .

#100

ok,then topor was wrong.
thanks.[/quote]

Not Quite, he said:

The UK never went for the FN in HB
. The “HB” probably means “Heavy Barrel” which is another name for the Light Machine Gun variant. At the time Britain was using a combination of WWII Brens adapted for 7.62NATO (the LMG) and belt-fed GPMGs (the FN MAG).

Edited to add a ) .[/quote]

we also used 7.62,and also,the standart isn’t a light machinegun,and ours had a great involvement for internal conflicts (the army vs the army,army vs terrorists,terrorists who stolen army weapons vs army,you know).
and im sure it would have a great involvement in the fallands wr if it was well cared,we should take more care of our weapons,thanks for the definition,i didn’t know that hb was heavy barrel.