Centurion Tank

It could with justification be said that with the Centurion the British “got it right” for the first time since the Mk V** of 1918.
In as much as, all previous designs (prior to Centurion) of whichever class were basically failures, with certain notable exceptions in the cases of some variants (examples: Churchill Crocodile, Churchill NA75, Grant Recovery Vehicle, Matilda Frog, Sherman Firefly).
It is justifiable to describe the Comet as effectively obsolete by the time it was deployed, and the British themselves clearly acknowledge the point by rapidly deploying Centurion to replace those few Comets which had seen service. Thus, the Comet is also a relative failure.
That the Churchill AVRE’s of various forms served until the Centurion developments were available to fullfil the same roles does not excuse the Churchill’s failings as a battletank: it merely points to British parsimony and economic issues, as is usual for the UK.

In short, the Centurion was the first successful design since the MK V** to see widespread service, and do so as a success.

Kind and Respectful Regards, Uyraell.

The Churchill however was very successful in Burma.

I watched an hour long progran a couple of weeks ago on cable T.V. devoted to The Centurion. It won high praise throughout and in particular from the Americans in the Korean war. It was the only tank that could reach the tops of the high ground and got them out of sticky situations many times.

I believe it was stated that several Aussie Centurions in Vietnam often took multiple hits from NVA/VC rocket propelled grenades and kept on chugging through the jungle. Their American counterpart’s crews in the M-48 Patton often weren’t as fortunate…

This last one I think is a matter of luck than anything else.

It is justifiable to describe the Comet as effectively obsolete by the time it was deployed, and the British themselves clearly acknowledge the point by rapidly deploying Centurion to replace those few Comets which had seen service. Thus, the Comet is also a relative failure.

The most poor characteristic of the Comet in my view is the gun, wasnt a 17 pounder and barely comparable with the german kwK 40 in service since 1942 within the Panzer IV.

My last memory of the Comet was the T.A. using them as target practice on the Castle Martin ranges. They were brand new and still in preservation grease. That would be in 1960 I think.

Are you thinking of these sorts of engagements?

http://vietnam-war.commemoration.gov.au/combat/bunkers.php

http://svc029.wic009tp.server-web.com/history/vietnam/binh_ba.html

Australian Story is a series on government funded but independent television here which presents programs of depth and often considerable emotional effect on the viewer. Here’s a compelling one about a Centurion crew wounded in Vietnam and the aftermath.
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2005/s1412743.htm

I had heard that the stowage boxes on the Centurions were usually crammed with Hard Tac left over from WWII . This might account for added protection. (OOPS! I may have just given away the secret of Chobham armor,:shock:

Weren’t some of these deployed during the WWII?

I watched a show about tanks in Discovery channel and i think a few might have been running about.

Some were, but only towards the end.

best tank design ever within its era. Period. Perhaps a diesel might have been available earlier. But still. The Germans would have had even more late war headaches if this beast entered Western Front earlier. Perhaps Berlin would have been British! :slight_smile: heyhey there would be no discussions, no polls. the Centurion would have been the tank of the 20thcentury. In fact it is, but people tend to disregard all post-WWII conflicts when it comes to armour.

FUN !

Bump!

I always liked the Centurion, built a few models of them when I was a kid. Good also that somewhere, they are still doing the job. I mistakenly thought that those yet in service were in the old configurations, mostly because any time the U.S. makes significant changes in a vehicle, they give it a new M number. Britain just adds Mk’s and No.'s to them keeping the original name. Still like the Cent in all of it’s iterations.

I was Infantry in the Brit Army of the 1960s. We were given a very entertaining briefing by an RAC officer in Colchester. Film show and all - we wished all our training was as enjoyable. He described the Chieftain as an OK tank, but reserved his highest praise for the Centurion. (I think we were at Mk 11 or somesuch by then.) After treating all our technical questions with airy disinterest, he informed us that the immersion heater was excellent. Oh - and it was roomy enough for the whole crew to sleep in. Such peripheral considerations as speed, armament, climbing ability, armour protection were barely mentioned.

Cheers,
Cliff

I wonder why the British Army never moved forward with the next generation of the Cent in the FV4202 prototype that is in WOT. What little I saw on it was that it was never seriously considered as a next generation tank as the Chieftain was already entering service. But it seems a lot of the short comings of the Centurion were fixed and the tank was on par with the M-60A1/A3…

Your posts reminded me of a couple of my own encounters with Centurions which I thought I’d recount here if you’ll indulge me.

Our company was advancing on foot across ploughed fields on Salisbury Plain one, soggy November. Trying to keep to the timetable, but delayed by the clinging mud which refused to be shaken off. The Squadron Commander of the Centurions which were accompanying us asked if we would like a lift. A few days previously he had us join in a sprint race against his guys, we on foot, they, in their vehicles – we were sore losers and he wasn’t very high on our like-list. However, he now redeemed himself hugely. Our rain-sodden bods clambered aboard and settled down on the engine louvres behind the turret. It was fantastic. The heat rising from the louvres soon dried us out – it was the first time we had felt warm in a week. Typically, it had been raining none stop for days and all our kit, sleeping bags, the lot, was soaked through. Unfortunately, we reached a jumping off point where we had to continue onto the objective by foot in support of the tangos. The going was a little easier as we followed their tracks. However, the memory of the warm comfortable ride stayed with me and I developed a great affection for the Centurion. When the Chieftain came along I remained loyal to the Centurion, stating to the sprogs that it was the best thing since sliced bread.

A few years later, at BATUS, we were dug-in in a defensive sack waiting to be attacked. We could hear the radios of the D.S. standing about behind us as the battle picture began to build up. We were a part of an infantry combat team in support of an armoured battle group. We had Chieftains interspersed between rifle sections (squads) and out on the forward left-flank were two, Chieftain sniper-tanks. Way out ahead of us were targets for the tangos which consisted of decommissioned Centurions. We could hear the radioed contact reports of Tango 11 Alpha and Tang 11 Charlie reporting the advance of the forward elements of enemy armour – ‘Wait out!’ We saw the tracer rounds flying down the range before we heard the booming report of their main armaments. One of the target’s turret, 12 tons I believe, was blown meters into the air, it was - WOW! Then the sniper tanks withdrew and joined us, hull-down, in the main defensive position. The enemy attacked in regimental strength, the Chieftains were blasting them to buggery. 105mm self-propelled guns were firing fixed-fire missions over our heads covering the area with air bursts. Enemy APC’s were approaching we blasted them with shoulder launched rockets, some enemy managed to de-bus, we engaged with rifle and machine gun. We won – end-ex!

India 32Bravo had a new pin-up - the Chieftain!

About riding on tanks: One of our WOs on exercise in Berlin, hitched a lift on a French AMX-13 (or was it a -30? Not sure). Either way, time to debus and he had huge problems. As in, his DMS boot sole was heat-welded to the tank’s exhaust pipe! Most embarrassing - all because he’d wanted to get his feet warm quickly.

Cheers,
Cliff

Australian Centurion tankies in Vietnam obviously went to a lot of trouble to get dressed up to meet General Westmoreland a few days after their Centurions were crucial in repelling enemy attacks on Australian positions at Coral, Balmoral and Coogee and in operations from those bases into enemy country and bunkers.

Operations are outlined at http://www.army.gov.au/Our-history/History-in-Focus/Australian-tanks-at-the-battles-of-Coral-and-Balmoral , which show that Centurions were effective in jungle operations.

Did they offer him some Tea? cents still had the boiler in them then right?