Could the Germans Repel the Assault on Berlin?

By this time many Berliners were fed up of the war, but unfortunately flying SS court martials hanged everybody who dared to show a white flag or any man who was outside the frontline without a written order at the next tree as a deserter or traitor.

Actually most fighting in Berlin was done by foreign SS troops (like of the Waffen-SS division Charlemagne or even the British Free Corps), who knew that if Germany lost, they would be handed over to their own governments and tried as traitors.

The SS blew up a Berlin underground tunnel under the Landwehr canal, which was part of the last line of defense, this way flooding a large part of the Berlin underground system, killing thousands of civilians who were using the tunnels as air raid shelters.

Jan

the british frekorps never saw combat. they numbered 30 men…

Beat me to it!!

for the exception of imprisonment/execution, i think the frekorps had a fairly swell time; drinking, shagging, etc.

From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britisches_Freikorps

With the failure of Amery’s recruiting efforts, another idea was tried in an attempt to woo POWs into joining the BFC. Given the harsh conditions of POW camps in Germany and the occupied areas, it was decided to form a “holiday camp” for likely recruits from POW camps. Two holiday camps were set up, Special Detachment 999 and Special Detachment 517, both under the umbrella of Stalag IIId, near Berlin. English-speaking guards were used, overseen by a German intelligence officer, who would use the guards as information gatherers. But a Briton was needed as a possible conduit for volunteers and for this duty, Battery Quartermaster Sergeant John Henry Owen Brown of the Royal Artillery was selected.

Brown had been a member of the British Union of Fascists (BUF) before the war, but was also a devout Christian. Captured on the beaches of Dunkirk in May 1940, Brown eventually ended up in a camp at Blechhammer. Given his rank, he was made a foreman of a work detail where he successfully won the confidence of the Germans. With his status, the Germans made him the camp leader of Special Detachment 517.

In reality, Brown had been setting up a black market scheme, smuggling in contraband to give to his men and also to buy off the guards. Later Brown learned the POW message codes created by MI9 and began to operate as (in his words) a “self-made spy”. Once he understood his role concerning the “holiday camps”, he determined that he was in a unique position to both hinder the formation of this unit and to obtain intelligence — while also making sure the men who came to the camp actually got a holiday.

also their methods of recruitment…

The first group of POWs to be taken to Luckenwalde were mainly from the Italian theatre. One such case was Trooper John Eric Wilson of No.3 Commando which illustrated the techniques used by the camp. Upon arrival, he was stripped, made to watch his uniform get ripped to pieces, and then given a blanket to cover up with. Placed in a cell with just the blanket and fed 250 grams of bread and a pint of cabbage soup, he was only allowed out to empty the waste bucket. After two days like this, he was taken before an “American”, who was in fact Scharper. Wilson was asked his rank (about which Wilson lied, saying he was a staff sergeant), name, number, and date of birth, then returned to his cell. Left alone, a “British POW” would come in from time to time, offer cigarettes and conduct idle chit-chat. The end result was that the isolation and the mistreatment led to him holding on to the “POW” who showed kindness to him. When dragged before Scharper some days later and offered the choice of joining the BFC or staying in solitary, it can be understood why Wilson chose the BFC. With this initial success, it was deemed this method would be the gateway to expanding the BFC and in turn, 14 men were made to join. This including men from such esteemed units as the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders and the Long Range Desert Group.

Why they never saw action…

The recruiting drives brought the BFC to a strength of 23 men. This worried Freeman because if the unit reached 30, then the BFC would be incorporated into the SS Wiking Division and sent into action. To prevent this, Freeman drafted a letter, signed by him and 14 other BFC men (mostly newcomers), requesting they be returned to their camps. Freeman and one other instigator sent to a penal stalag on the charge of mutiny on June 20, 1944. Freeman escaped the stalag in November 1944, and reached Soviet lines where he was repatriated in March 1945.

Basically a few nutters who liked the Nazis but were generally incompentent and a bunch of typical Brits who just wanted to make a big pigs ear out of the whole thing!

They had all the freedom you could want (for a POW), so of course in true Brit style kicked the arse right out of it!!!

And what happened to them afterwards…

While British intelligence had been aware of this unit since Brown’s first reports, and had the names of all of its members, it took several weeks for MI5 and Special Branch to track down and detain those involved. Cowie had begun training as a military policeman in Britain when he was arrested. Amery was arrested in northern Italy. Pleasants ended up in the Soviet Occupation Zone of Germany, and was arrested by the Soviets in 1946 on espionage charges, and spent seven years in a prison camp, then returned home to boast of his dubious status as the reigning middle-weight boxing champion of the Waffen-SS until his death in 1997.

Amery and Cooper were tried for high treason alongside William Joyce (also known as “Lord Haw Haw”) and Walter Purdy, and sentenced to death; however Cooper’s and Purdy’s sentences were commuted to life imprisonment. Cooper was released from prison in 1953, and lived in the Far East for a number of years. he returned to the UK in the 1970s and died in 1987. The rest were dealt with under military law: MacLardy was sentenced to life, reduced on appeal to 15; Cowie was sentenced to 15 years, but was released after seven; Wilson got ten years; and Berry, the first recruit, served nine months. Courland was court-martialled by the New Zealand military, sentenced to 15 years, also served only seven. Freeman successfully defended himself on all charges, and was acquitted; MI5 stated his only purpose for joining the BFC was to escape and also to sabotage this unit. Berneville-Claye was acquitted due to lack of evidence, served another year in the army before being discharged for theft, and left the UK to eventually end his days in Australia.

In the middle of 1946, it was learned that three former BFC members had somehow been demobilised and escaped punishment; rather than recalling them to service to face a court-martial, they were merely summoned to an MI5 office, and given a severe warning concerning their future conduct.

Freeman, after the war, said he had seen a list of over 1,100 British who applied to fight against the Soviets. Asked why the BFC remained rife with problems and short of recruits despite opportunities like this, he summed it up that the core base of the BFC were “poor types”, which contributed to a lack of any respect for the BFC from the start.

Why Walther may be mistaken in believing they fought.

There is a persistent rumor that one BFC member, Reg Courlander, took part in the Battle of Berlin, and destroyed a Soviet tank. By this time, Roy Courlander was far behind Allied lines, and the movements of the other members of this unit are clearly known. The only person who can be proved to have seen combat in the uniform of the BFC was their translator “Bob” Rossler, who remained with the Nordland division when it went into battle in Berlin, to fight alongside the Volkssturm, Hitlerjugend, and the other mixed bag units defending the city.

The few remaining BFC members followed Steiner’s headquarter unit to Neustrelitz. There they drove trucks, directed traffic, and assisted the evacuations of civilians from the Neustrelitz and Reinershagen area until, on April 29, 1945, Steiner ordered his forces to break contact with the Soviets and make for the western lines to surrender to the US or British. On May 2, Cooper and the men with him surrendered to unit of the US Ninth Army near Schwerin.

Meanwhile Hugh Cowie had organized other former BFC men and seized control of their isolation camp. Heavily armed, they made their way west and also surrendered to the Ninth Army at Schwerin.

According to a British friend, who did extensive research about them, they were actually about 60 blokes and did see some fighting during the last days of the war in Berlin. But I think in this case it was more because they simply couldn’t avoid it. They spent most of the war though drinking German beer and shagging German women. :lol:

Jan

Edit / Correction: It appears that there was only one of them who fought in Berlin and this was mainly because he happened to be in uniform in the wrong place at the wrong time, so he couldn’t avoid it.
About their number, there existed different figures, everything between platoon strength and company strength.

so they were attached to 5th SS Wiking?

According to www.members.aol.com/sturmpnzr/reenact.htm who are bunch of “reenactors” all though what they can reenact about the Freikorps I don’t know!!!

They were “auxiliary of the 11th. SS-Freiwilligen Panzergrenadier Division “Nordland””.

According to the Wikipediea they were probably around Berlin at the end, just before they ran, but mainly in a supporting logistics role than fighting.

They also had removed their insiginia, for some reason, so they wouldn’t be easily identifiable as such.

does anybody know the state of the german panzer division at the time of the battle for berlin? obviously they were battered, but did the germans have any tanks?

Very few tanks, and most I believe were used in static positions rather than as tanks as there was no fuel for them!!!

there were sizeable numbers of Tiger Is and IIs and panthers. but many were either dug-in as stationary defense or watched streets. Essentially, what happened was the panzermen fought until they ran out of ammo and fuel, then sabotaged their tanks and ran.

1 million men,
1,500 AFVs,
3,300 aircraft

i see, attacked to 11t nordland. Its complete rubbish why anyone would want to reenact these “soldiers”. lol…

Well, I’d gladly reenact shagging women in 1940s underwear and drinking beer! :smiley:

Jan

true , true. but isn’t that what people do normally anyway? (expect the 1940s underwear part)

they might as well get down and renact nazi fetishes or scenes from Isla: she -wolf of the SS.

The funny thing is it could be your grandmother or another relative you are “shagging”.
:lol:

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