All I was quoting were the figures bandied about by so many sources. Are these figures accurate? I doubt it and we’ll probably never know Chevan. Census figures of the time, no matter which country, were notoriously inaccurate, which would make any claims on death tolls extremely difficult to substantiate.
Regards to all,
Digger.
Indeed Gen. Sandworm there is no any exact number of total victims of WW2.
It’s true, practically any russian famaly has a ancestor who died or was killed during WW2. One of my grandfather perished in 1942.
The latest documentally confirmed figure of russian historians - 26,6 millions total lost of USSR. Absolut majority was killed but not all…
In this number was just 8 668 400 soldiers and officers all of Red Army.
The giants number of civils population death about 16 millions was the direct resault of Nazi henocide to the native people of USSR. About 5 million slavs were forcibly exported in to Germany as the slaves. Many perished but other essential part come back to the USSR in 1945 or had stay in the West.
Cheers.
Dear Digger, certainly this figures could be inaccurate in certain extent but you must to agree that 20 million ( common of 170 million of population) this is not needle in the haystack. You cann’t simply lose 20 millions mostly of mens population from total men population of USSR was 80 millions.
This is must be the seriouse demographic problem like it was after WW2.
But till 1941 the population of the USSR constantly increased becouse Stalin’e repressions touched just a small part of population of USSR no more 5%.
Cheers.
Back to the topic gentlemens.
Do somebody know something about Ivan Groznj.
Law court in THE USA decreed, that John Demijanyuk, accused in the fact that he worked as overseer in the concentration camp during World War II, must be deported into the Ukraine.
Judge Maikl Kreppi rejected the statements of that accused, who considers that in the case of its delivery to Ukrainian authorities it will be subjected to tortures.
John (in the past - Ivan) Demijnyuk, 85 years, in 2002 it was deprived of American citizenship - then law court considered, that there are proofs of the fact that Demijnyuk during the World War II worked as guard in several Nazi concentration camps. “Ivan Groznj” Demijnyuk, which already almost 30 years carries on a struggle for that in order to remain in THE USA, it denies all presented to it charges. Ukrainian obtained right to the entrance in THE USA in 1951 after he stated that it served in the Red Army, but it was undertaken into the captivity in the Crimea and the large part of the war it sat through in the camp as the prisoner of war. For the first time charges in the accomplishment of military crimes were advanced against it in 1977. In 1981 Demijnyuk already lost the citizenship: law court arrived at the conclusion that it lay about its military past. Demijnyuk, was said in the verdict, it served in the concentration camp of Treblinka in Poland, where it they knew under the nickname “Ivan Groznj”.
Demijnyuk declared, that it were located in the camp as the prisoner. However, law court in 2002 established that it worked as guard in the camps of Sobibor, Maydanek and Flossenburg, where were destroyed hundreds of thousands people. After the loss of its American citizenship he was sented to Israel, where it was judged and in 1988 it was sentenced to the death punishment.
However, verdict was annulled five years by the later Supreme Court of Israel, at disposal of which entered the evidence about the fact that “Ivan Groznj” could be another Ukrainian. Demijnyuk returned to THE USA, and one of the judges revoked the decision of the Ministry of Justice and restored its citizenship.
Was the Demijnyuk and “Ivan Groznj” the same face?
talking about nazi criminal, how about those who worked for the American government and never get charged for the crime. Some of them even worked as double agent to serve both america and soviet union.
I have to conclude that absence of any moral principle of different intelligence and secret cervices which take to the work of such “professionals” with Nazi past. I think this amoral and abominably.
What’s the sense to blame nazi for atrocities and give them the “work” at the same time.
Cheers.
Do somebody know something about Nazi officers who run away after the war to the Near East ( Egypt and Syria)?
Not much about them…
I suppose that they run complex intelligence network…
I mean nazi like Aloise Brunner -former consentration camps servicemen who run into Syria after the war.
He is believed to still be in Syria. Or he could just be dead. The Syrians claim no knowledge of him.