Ernst Barkmann

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#21

As I never used the word lie I fail to see where you are going here.
I specificaly use the word OVERCLAIM. This means that claims were made that exceded reality. There are many reasons for overclaiming and 99% of them have nothing to do with lying.

so don’t claim again that the allies got everything in report and it’s all true ,

Just show me where I said that…

It always amazes me how nasty it gets when anyone dares to claim a German source is anything other than 100% correct in every respect!!!

#22

Of course you’d blame the entire 23rd US Infantry Division for My Lai as well!

It always amazes me how nasty it gets when anyone dares to claim a German source is anything other than 100% correct in every respect!!!

This is becoming ridiculous and even more worrying…

#23

I start to get bored from your replies being stubborn saying one thing again and again 1000 times . I see that you see the things only in Allies way , refusing to admit ANY claims from the Germans simply because there weren’t allied reports for that and so on , but many historians said that is true and i believe them cause otherwise they won’t make films for Wittman , Barkman and others , as for you even if Jesus Christ get down and say you that was true you will say Jesus there wasn’t any reports . So i am tired to reply you and from other hand i don’t see why you write here as the theme is for Ernst Barkmann not for allied reports of german actions . So far you didn’t answer me who the hell reported the allied actions , and who proved that they were right . Because i don’t think in a such big war you can make reports of EVERY action you take and the other side make , for example of Stalingrad or Bastogne i don’t think any commander was sitting and watching and making a reports , they just reported all they remember after the battles were over to their superiors . And please don’t say what i dare to "claim " simply because it in every history books in the school as well as many historians and Tv’s made a series for Wittman for example so i don’t they were fools to make such thing and to say these things .

#24

I blame anyone who was involved in herding women and children into a church and burning them to death. I blame the brave SS men who shot those who managed to escape.

#25

See, this sounds immediately different. You just decreased the number of potential criminally insane by a couple of thousands.

#26

I will say it again in case you missed the point (which obviously you did)

If Barkmann is claimed to have held up the entire US advance then you would think it would be mentioned in a report somewhere. Holding up several Armored and Infantry divisions, being attacked by aircraft and generaly destroying a mound of US Equipment would surely rate some comment somewhere. However there is not the slightest indication any of the US Units noticed this ‘brave stand’. It was so insignificant and unimportant that no one noticed it! In an ordinary person this would sound alarm bells. You would think that in all the years this story has been doing the rounds someone (even a fan-boy) would have been able to find some confirmation. Even worse all the books that repeat the story do no more than retell the story without any supporting independent evidence. Clearly you are of the opinion that if a German said it then it must be true.

refusing to admit ANY claims from the Germans simply because there weren’t allied reports for that and so on

No I simply said beware of believing the Barkmann claim because it is unconfirmed.

but many historians said that is true and i believe them

Bakmann makes the claim.
100 Panzer fan-boy books repeat the claim citing Barkmann as their source.
How many sources are there?
Some would say 100.
In fact their is one source.
If you can name me one ‘historian’ who gives any data on the US Units involved then you might have a case.

#27

And you are on the opinion that if the Allies told it , it must be true … i see you act like the american courts in 1933 during the mafia period - case closed lack of evidence . Clearly you don’t see my point and it is - the allies of course won’t make a public report of that , no one would mention it ,for example the vetarans of 101st from Bastogne said that hey never actually needed Patton and his army and that actually they were able to hold the city even to 2060 as i heard from their words .