The father of one of my friends in the Islands was in his late teens during the occupation and he and his friends used to break curfew to crawul under the Argentine vehicles and put sand in the axle breathers.
The same bloke also purloined an Argentine sniper rifle and kept it along with several thousand rounds of ammuntion. He is probably one of only a few people to “hunt” geese at over a Kilometre!
yes,but they are protestants.
i feel better visiting a country of my religion because it’s easier to find the church! :D[/quote]
So you’re not Christian then? You do know that just like Argentina, the UK (of which NI is a part) is Christian country.
Irrefutable proof (even the smoke is going the correct way).
http://www.malvinasvirtual.com.ar/fotogal/details.php?image_id=60&sessionid=bf52f838a3b55ffe4d2eb18cc4dc64e9&sessionid=bf52f838a3b55ffe4d2eb18cc4dc64e9
Even then - look at the waves & the spray whipping off them vigorously - going strongly right to left. Smoke initially into the picture then gently left.
But at least they’ve got smoke coming off the hangar deck…
LARGEBREW:
Why was the task force allowed to sail 8,000 miles to deliver an arse kicking unharried.
Because the Argentine Navy hadn’t the autonomy and the number of ships to fight in an open-sea battle with the Royal Navy. The submarines in service, ancient subs, weren’t enable to realize long missions.
Why did the Argentine military command not provide sufficiant assets to counter a Known quantity as the size and make up of the task force was common knowledge. Why were Argentine special forces not used effectivley apart from the initial invasion.
Because the Argentine command never thought in a real possibility of war. They only tried to put in the islands to a bad-formed military unit. They didn’t think they need to defend with weapons the Malvinas and Georgias, and only mobilized troops to have more mass. Argentina had 120 155mm cannons, but only 2 were mobilized. Argentina had 5000 jeeps and trucks, but only 100 were mobilized. The Argentine government didn’t think –they were completely wrong- in a war.
Why was the Task Force allowed to establish a bridge head unopposed by land forces. Why were UK forces allowed to walk across the Island without any concerted opposition.
Because the General in command was the worst of all the Argentine Generals in war tactics knowledges. He only was sent because he had good relationships with people and the Junta tried with him, win the hearth of the islanders. I repeat, he was sent because the government never thought seriously in a war.
why was the Argentine Navy allowed to opt out of the conflict.
Because the Argentine Navy hadn’t the capability to fight in an open-sea battle versus the Royal Navy. The Argentine Navy had only 1 Aircraft Carrier, 1 cruiser, 4 destroyers, 4 corvettes and 1 submarine in service. All these units without a good ASW system or well-prepared to a sea-sea battle. And of course, the A-4 Skyhawks in the Aircraft Carrier “25 de Mayo” hadn’t the capability to attack the Royal Navy with smart weapons. A sea-sea open battle would be completely a disaster. But of course, the Navy could used the corvettes to quick attacks to the Royal Navy and escape with max speed.
Why did the AFF waste a valuable asset like Exocet on picket ships rather than on a concerted attack on the British Carriers.
It seems to be that you don’t know that the Argentine Super Etendard radars hadn’t the capability to define what class of ship was in front of them. The pilots only seen marks and launched to the biggest. The attacks:
HMS Sheffield. Two missiles launched, one hit.
SS Atlantic Conveyor. Two missiles launched, two hits.
HMS Invincible. One missile launched, one hit.
Why inspite of the limited number of British Aircraft available was the AFF unable to establish air superiority or even able to achieve a single ATA success.
The Argentine Air Force hadn’t the capability to fight against the Harriers because:
The only aircraft which could fight to them were the 14 Mirage IIIE, with R-550 Magic missiles. The Sidewinders “L” were much better, and remember the angle of rotation of the Harrier is closer than the Mirages. In a dogfight the angle of rotation, and the missile are the most important things to have in account. The Mirage had only 5 minutes to do missions of CAP, they weren’t enabled to the refuelling.
Why was the Argentine population still being told that their forces were winning the conflict as the white flag of surrender was flown over Port Stanley.
You are completely wrong. The mediums, managed by the military government, said to the Argentine people that our forces were winning. But that shit finished between June the 12th and 13th
FIREFLY:
If there were no inhabitants in the Islands I could possibly, mind you possibly concede that the Falklands maybe could belong to Argentina.
However, I still fail to see where the ridiculous claim to S. Georgia, the S Sandwich Islands and territory in Antarctica.
What has never been satisfactorily explained to me are the basis for these claims.
Firefly, remember that the inhabitants could be easily looked as invaders. They invaded the islands and forces to my countryman to retire from it.
With the Georgias, I’ll try to be the most plainly I can.
In the XIX Century, Chile and Argentina signed a treaty to try to put an end to the border conflicts. The treaty said all Andes range territories which would be in the Pacific Ocean would be part of Chile. All Andes range territories in the Atlantic Ocean, would be part of Argentina.
It is proved by geologists and specialists the Georgias and the Sandwich are part of the projection of the Andes range over the Atlantic Ocean, the Antartandes. And it is not part of the Antarctic territory because the islands are out of the polar circle, so that is not humanity inheritance.
About the “Antártida”, Argentina is not claiming sovereignty now. Only claiming rights.
MAN OF STOAT
Self-determination doesn’t apply to the islanders cos they’re not natives? Then it doesn’t apply to Argentines in Argentina either then! Most of the islanders can trace their families back ON THE ISLANDS for longer than most Argentines can trace their families back in argentina.
I’d like to see the Chilean bases you claim we used, also the Chilean and US radars and weapons we were given, apparently. We bought everything fair and square before the conflict. Where do you get this cr*p from? Oh, let me guess…
Now, let’s talk about France “giving” you exocets then, shall we?
Let’s also talk about the indescriminate sowing of mines and the alledged use of napalm.
The self-determination doesn’t apply to the islanders because it was a recognized state installed in the islands, Argentina. Great Britain had recognized Argentina as state.
It seems to be you are not known about the Chile and United States help?
Let’s see…
*Punta Arenas Air Base. British Military forces were installed there. Are several pictures showing at least three C-130 Hercules with the same matriculate. And the most evident, they were showing the name as FUERA AREA DE CHILE. In Spanish, it says: Go out. Chilean area, a stupid mistake. The british Hercules tried to say FUERZA AEREA DE CHILE, Chilean Air Force.
All civil passengers who passed throw the base had to close the aircraft’s windows under obligation.
In the base was a Sea King Squadron with SAS forces. One of the helicopters down near to the Argentine border, in a secret mission.
You could find there a Canberra squadron too.
All it units were painted in Belize with the Chilean Air Force colours, didn’t allowed by the war laws.
*In 1998, military units of Great Britain honoured to Augusto Pinochet in spite of all the support which Chile had given to UK in the Malvinas war. The ensured they had Chilean informs of radars when the Argentine Aircraft took off in order to prepare the defence of the Task Force.
*The United States recognized in April his support to Great Britain. The provided the Widewake base, in the Ascension island. What’s more, the US Navy provided the excellent missiles AIM-9L Sidewinder, the key to won the air battle. They recognized their satellite supports to the UK.
I don’t know what are you trying to say about the Exocets. You know the French blocked to the Argentine military forces. In April Argentina would receive 10 Super Etendards and 10 AM-39 Exocets more, but France blocked all in order to respect his alliance with the United Kingdom. The Argentine Exocets, AM-39 and MM-38 were enabled and activated by Argentine engineers, without foreign support.
Mines? I could talk about the surrended Argentine soldiers who were obligated to disable mine fields in the Malvinas. The Ginebra Convention says the surrended soldiers cannot be obligated to do military movements to their enemy.
About the use of Napalm. Argentina had the capability to use Napalm with IA-58 Pucará and MB-339 Aermacchi in Darwin Battle or Stanley’s mounts battles, but the government found this class of weapons as a cruel weapon, and always changed their arming by Cluster or simple silly bombs.
1000ydstare:
When? January 3rd of 1833. The Frigate HMS Clio, with Royal Marines and colonialists forced to the Argentine civilians who lived in the Malvinas islands to board the ship without reason. The Argentine islanders were put down in Montevideo Uruguay and it starts the illegal colonialism of the Malvinas islands. Of course all of this is not showed by british books.
You say the islanders are the most similar as a native? It could be, because they were installed in the Malvinas a lot of years… but the Argentine claim comes from 1833, when they started the colony. They were “natives” too in 1833?? But at this moment, as now, the british government didn’t hear the Argentine claim.
There weren’t Argentine colonies??? Are you OK??? The last Spanish colony retired from the islands in 1811. In 1820 the Argentine Frigate “Heroína” planted an Argentine Flag in the islands. Between 1827 and 1829 more than a hundred argentines moved to the islands, funding Puerto Soledad. In 1829, Luis Vernet is officially declared Governor of the Malvinas islands. Puerto Soledad kept living until 1833, when the Royal Marines destroyed it to fund a new village, Stanley Port, in 1982 renamed as Puerto Argentino.
About the Harrier/Sea Harrier number.
Although the Hermes/Invincible and the auxiliary platform of conveyor make at least 25 units in service, the units which were moved to the conflict were 45 units, 18 Harrier (RAF), 27 Sea Harrier (Fleet Air Arm).
The Argentine Air Force Mirage III were only 14. Although The second fighter of the Argentine Air Force, the Mirage V (Dagger) was in a good number of units, 24, this aircraft hadn’t an apropiate missile, only the ancient Shafrir, known as simples fireworks. A Harrier could easily escape from a Shafrir with the Chaff/Flare system.
All you, try to be more respectable and seriously people please. I think I am not being a despicable person with you. Try to be the same…
Thank you for the detailed answers. We certainly don’t think you are a despicable person. In fact, it’s nice to be able to discuss the Falklands War in such a calm and reasoned manner. I hope it can continue.
yes,but they are protestants.
i feel better visiting a country of my religion because it’s easier to find the church! :D[/quote]
So you’re not Christian then? You do know that just like Argentina, the UK (of which NI is a part) is Christian country.[/quote]
I thought the United Kingdom was protestant,am i that wrong?
Regards
Erwin
My sentiments exactly Crab and Eagle but…
It seems to be that you don’t know that the Argentine Super Etendard radars hadn’t the capability to define what class of ship was in front of them.
Yet the report, even on your official Navy Air Force site clearly states that the exocet was launched purely on the informatin from radar. The bombing aircraft then pursued the Exocet, surely there could be error, and the Invincible wasn’t actually attacked? Which we, the British on the site, know never happened.
Remembering that the attack was on your countries national day, so soon after Belgrano was sunk.
Are you that convinced? The Junta wanted it so badly, and they have lied about many things, would they not lie about this?
Her name Invincible, that would have been good in the papers wouldn’t it? Her crew, non other than Prince Andrew, that would be good in the papers also, would it not?
Invincible continued to conduct ops, she was down there a long time waiting to be relieved, and was painted on during the deployment or she would have fallen apart due to rust!! She could have easily been painted in the tropics on the way back (in the height of summer) as opposed to the winter of the Falklands.
Sorry, I still have serious doubts that that many aircraft could be moved down there and operated from the three decks. Remember the extra helicopers carried as well and the chinooks carried, and lost, by Atlantic Conveyor.
When did Argentina become a country in it’s own right, as in not part of the Spanish Empire?
Also on the subject of Napalm. It was, as far as I am aware, never used. BUT it was found at Goose Green, so they must have thought about using it.
Actually we prefer Church of England. But yes it is protestant in that the official faith of the Queen is CofE.
We have, however, large numbers of catholics living and practicing their faith here. You will find a catholic church in every town.
We also have large numbers of Jews, Muslims and practically every faith under the sun, Buddisht, Hindu, Sikhe we even have satanists allowed on Royal Navy boats.
We do not, as a country, descriminate on faith.
yes,we too
Never said you did mate, I know little of your countries religion. I know Costa Rica is catholic, as I have been there, but know little of your countries religion, other than you are a catholic nation as we are CofE.
However, when you say things like NI is protestant, it shows a certain ingnorance of the country.
I thought northern ireland was separed of ireland first because it is part of the united kingdom,and second because it is a protestant zone.
South America and Centre America are the home of the biggest number of catholical population.
Regards
Erwin
Whilst what you say is true, it is also very simplified.
At least 2 out of the 6 counties in NI, maybe 3, off the top of my head are actually heavily Catholic.
This is why the troubles of the last 25 years have taken place.
Most people in South Armagh and Fermanagh would kill you for calling them protestant, as would half of the inhabitants of Belfast and most of the population of Londonderry.
Some of us prefer staunch presbeterism where idolatory is not tolerated.
My Grandad was the COS minister from hell… though this is off topic.
Eagle
What a load of bollocks, they are not even on the same tectonic plate! And who is Chile and Argentina to decide who owns what?
Eagle, I apologise, I have just come to realise that they are on the same tectonic plate.
FF
Hey MODs. Can we not merge all these Falklands/Malvinas topics, it gets confusing skipping from one to the other and would tidy things up a bit.
this of northern and southern irish problems was the bloody sunday,right?
i don’t know much about it,just a few words i listened to an irish mate.