Fighting at Aleppo, Syria

Of course. Are there no Spetnatz or Quds Force/IRG’s units there?

All this international gang from “several nations” ( aka “Syrian national opposition”)is trained and armed by US…

Absurd. The U.S. does NOT directly arm the opposition, they don’t have too. There are a number of Sunni states such as Saudi Arabia sending weapons and money to the FSA, the CIA is trying to curtail this actually and insure only more moderate elements get the money. If the CIA and the US military was in actual control of arming and training, things might be quite a bit different…

I’m talking about the poples like who have orginized the 9’11. Syrian gov or fsa-mojahedens?

Um, what does the German invasion of Poland have to do with it? The FSA is mainly Syrian and Syrian Army defectors. They’re not an exterior nation invading another. Your Siege of Daraa link hardly helps your case, if this were simply a counterterrorist operation as the Syrian Assad regimes wants everyone to believe, then why did they not send in special operations soldiers? They sent in a “reliable” mechanized division and conducted a military siege operation. These are the acts of an extremely unpopular gov’t, not of one carrying out surgical counterterror operations…

I was meaning not german invasion but atrocities- you have NO right to put a responsibility for ALL atrocities at the ONE side. Especialy when the opposite side is well known for it’s ethnic and religious cruelty.And if THEY are not the EXTERNAL nation invading the Syria- why then the ESSENTIAL part of them are the FOREIGN fighters and much of them are islamic radicals. Why then they ALL are armed by the external side like Saudi and Quatar?Why they trained by CIA and Tyrkey in foreign camps?They are all the “Syrian opposition” - aren’t they?And if you think the “special operation soldiers” is enough for fighting the Islamic terrorists- why to the hell , the US, send to fight the al-quaeda ENTIRE the coalition in afganistan with drones and tanks, instead to send there just the limited “special forces”?You are a bit tricky seems.If the syrian gov so “unpopular” as CNN lies - why then the Assad resist so hard and so long time, that the CIA going to launch entire external “international” invasion to overthrow the syrian regime?

What Israel did in 1948 doesn’t really have much to do with this, nor does the terror attack in Libya against the American embassy.
In fact it was the liberation of Libya from the bizarre Qaddafi that has actually served as a moderating force. Libyans turned out in droves to protest the attack on the embassy and reject lawlessness and violence of Islamist militias. Libya is hardly a comparison that benefits your views.

Really? So they has bombed Lybia into the stone age , killing the tens of thousands JUST to benefit the killing Quadaffi and …get there the “lawlessness Islamist militias” . Great!!
This is exaclty what does expect the poor Syria if the bloody juhadist win the war.This is very well comparision!

The gov’t there is struggling to combine the militia forces into a disciplined, regular army–the Embassy attacks have only strengthened this resolve and the populace behind it…

Yeah , the Al-quaeda will be difinitelly disciplined army:)

Or Moscow is filled with Chechen terrorists if you believe the Militsiya?

Have just invented it?Where did you see the Moscow police inform the population of “chechen threat”?

And while I’m not a fan of “Iranian paranoia,” Iran did attempt to assasinate the Saudi Embassador to the U.S. in Washington, D.C. And it has been shown that many of the Iranian special forces have been behind attacks on U.S. forces that were in Iraq and some of their elite units can be rogue and acting beyond their gov’t…

Who did say you that was IRAN behind this provocation?CNN?

I’m not sure what your complaint is here? That America wants to become involved in the Syrian Civil War directly? Hardly. If it was, the FSA would probably have a much better arsenal and more ammunition, which is what is allowing the Assad Forces to keep them from taking control…

Have terrorist a shortage of ammunition ever?!!common , turn off your zombie-TV. Check out the youtube better.
The terrorist have an entire arsenal of heavy wearpon - from the Stingers AA-missles to the mortars and big-caliber guns. And yes, the USA , has already been INVOLVED into the Syrian war- wish it or not. Via the CIA dirty activity.

Oh that’s so pity!!!Wish to look at those “moderate elements”. Seems the CIA makes their job too BAD;)

If the CIA and the US military was in actual control of arming and training, things might be quite a bit different…

No doubts it will be different very soon, the Sharia law and wild muslim justice will be benefited to USA, unlike the cruel Assad regime…

And additionally, just for pure educative purposes.
Take a look at sort of democracy they FSA fight for in Syria.The beheading of peoples, suicide bombers , mass ethnic murders and fierce , absolute wild cruelty Sharia law - the things the democracy can’t live without, as CIA claims !!! Have thay showed such a matter on CNN?!!!No?Too busy , exposuring the danger Iranian threat?

By the Monitor’s Editorial Board | Christian Science Monitor – 3 hrs ago

Another failed United Nations-brokered truce in Syria over the weekend should now force the outside world to again ask: What can stop the violence?

More than 30,000 people have been killed in a conflict sparked 19 months ago when the military arrested 15 teenagers writing graffiti – “The people want the downfall of the regime” – that revealed an unspoken truth. Since then, peaceful protests have largely given way to a civil war that’s also spilling over Syria’s borders. Russia and the United States can’t agree on what to do, so little is done from the outside.

That leaves either more violence to resolve the conflict or something else. What might that something else be?

Perhaps it is the parallel war being waged by the opposition on YouTube to convince the remaining Syrians who support Bashar el-Assad that the regime now survives only on a thin tissue of lies.

One of the more popular chants during demonstrations has been “Syrian media is a liar!” To challenge the state’s censorship and its massive propaganda machine, the opposition has smartly used the Internet, relying on satellite connections to upload videos on YouTube. Many Syrians rely heavily on their satellite dishes to watch these daily depictions of what the regime actually does.

The effect is powerful. A string of myths has been knocked down, starting with Mr. Assad’s superficial attempt at political reform last year. Also gone is the regime’s pretense of widespread support in the Arab and Muslim world.

The videos have shattered Assad’s claim that he represents all of Syria’s diverse people by showing how much he now relies on support from his minority Alawite community. The current videos are countering the regime’s claim that the pro-democracy opposition is run by Islamic terrorists.

Assad is losing this war over the truth as more Syrians wake up to the unreality of the regime’s lies. It is forcing him to use state media to build up the Army as a unifying icon rather than himself. TV programs depict soldiers as brave and magnanimous toward the people. Some clips show crowds yelling, “God save the Army!”

Meanwhile, the foot soldiers themselves, who are mainly from the Sunni majority, are ordered not to watch the Internet. And with the opposition able to reveal Army massacres of innocent women and children, as well as whole villages, the military itself is losing credibility.

The Internet’s ability to democratize information could be the way to bring political democracy to Syria. Its power resides in allowing the masses to sift fact from fiction, which also helps lift their fears. Syrians can make better choices to live the truth of their broader community. The old lies spun by Assad are seen as powerless.

Many ruthless regimes have collapsed without a shot when the truth pours into a country. East Germans, for example, rose up against their communist rulers after years of being able to watch West German television beamed across the border. During a 1986 revolt in the Philippines, a Christian radio station countered the regime’s lies about the extent of its popular support.

Outside Syria, the United States and other nations are providing communication technology and training to help the opposition spread the videos. With few foreign journalists in Syria, the rest of the world also relies on these visual reports.

The more that Assad tries new ways to claim that he has staying power, the easier it becomes for the opposition to win the YouTube war. With enough massive noncooperation from Syrians, the regime will be cornered, perhaps creating more violence for a while, but eventually it will collapse.

Democracy itself is humanity’s best means of bringing out truths to run society. In Syria, hollowing out the lies is the first step toward creating new representations of truth. With that victory, the YouTube revolution can lead to democratic representation for all Syrians.

Nick, what is sense to link at youtube ,claiming it advocate the democracy, if everything i saw about atrocities commited by Al-qaeda mojahedens in Syria have been posted there?
Do you watch the youtube yourself?

Not the rebels’ channel, I’ve seen the official gov’t channel complete with a very pretty young female broadcaster and claims that the FSA had murdered and entire village–while it was under occupation of the Syrian Army no less. It seems to exist solely to blame every atrocity on the Free Syrian Army and is now widely discredited by UN monitors among others…

I’m not talking about pro-assad channel. I’m about the atrocities ,executed and shoted by FSA members itself. Why those atrocities are uploaded and used exclusively by assad supporters in youtube unless there are the UN monitors , which shall inform I ( on his own duty) the world oppinion and investigate all of such cases? If , at it is getting quite clear from youtube, UN monitors keep silence about atrocities , commited by FSA, focusing purely on assad’s brutality- which else the fact can discredite them more effective?

You’re mistaken, the Assad supporters take footage of victims after they’ve murdered them, then upload video and images claiming it was FSA “terrorists.” I’ve never said the FSA doesn’t commit atrocities, they certainly do, but the Assad regime’s forces are responsible for the vast majority. Their use of heavy military weapons on civilian neighborhoods of particular ethnic groups is evidence of that…

What with you?
I’ve linked a few of videos that shows the FIERCE PROCESS of EXECUTIONS ( not the dead bodies ,as FSA like to pose) of pows or “assad supporters” by FSA. Where those monsters proudly shout “allah acbar”? Is that what assad supporters falsified you think?Or my eyes fools me?

I’ve never said the FSA doesn’t commit atrocities, they certainly do, but the Assad regime’s forces are responsible for the vast majority. Their use of heavy military weapons on civilian neighborhoods of particular ethnic groups is evidence of that…

You missed to provide the evidence that “vast majority” is NOT a propogandic myth , shared by Zombie-NN and Co in aim to descredit the Assad and destabilize Syria.When his “democratic opposition” OBVIOUSLY doesn’t even care to hide the ethnic attrocities , commited by their Al-quaeda suini allies .The situation with ethnic terror dramatically rises since the foreign suini jihadists flood the poor Syria, killing the christians and non-suini muslim- that the fact the zombie-media try to hide!Claiming that the terror rise since the heavy wearpon involved. While everybody know the US army itself constanly use the heavy werpon against jihadists around the world!

…unexpectedly!!!
CIA confirms role in US consulate attack in Benghazi
The CIA seems stood behind the fierce attack on american consulate in Lybia.

The Wall Street Journal said the consulate was being used as a CIA operation, adding that of the 30 American officials evacuated from Benghazi following the assault, just seven worked for the State Department.
It also identified the two security contractors killed in the attack – former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty – as working for the Central Intelligence Agency and not the State Department.
In a break from tradition, it said CIA Director David Petraeus did not attend the ceremony when the coffins arrived back on American soil in order to conceal the CIA operation in eastern Libya.

If the CIA rules in Libya, provoking the bloody mess( even after the supposed “end of hostilities” and death of Gadaffi), what should expect the Syrian people in a case the puppet “syrian opposition” will have won an ethnic war?

I’ve seen these videos elsewhere, and am well aware that the FSA forces do often kill captured Assad Regime Army personnel. Unfortunately, the level of brutality was set long ago…

You missed to provide the evidence that “vast majority” is NOT a propogandic myth , shared by Zombie-NN and Co in aim to descredit the Assad and destabilize Syria.

Um, I’m not CNN’s biggest fan by any means, but you obviously haven’t watched much of it. There’s very little mention of the war in the U.S. media these days, especially with the elections here today. In any case, CNN reported recently that FSA forces summarily executed several captured Syrian Army members after a string of successful ambushes…and there’s not many people standing with the Assad regime these days other than the Iranians and the Russian gov’t…

When his “democratic opposition” OBVIOUSLY doesn’t even care to hide the ethnic attrocities , commited by their Al-quaeda suini allies .The situation with ethnic terror dramatically rises since the foreign suini jihadists flood the poor Syria, killing the christians and non-suini muslim- that the fact the zombie-media try to hide!Claiming that the terror rise since the heavy wearpon involved. While everybody know the US army itself constanly use the heavy werpon against jihadists around the world!

I don’t recall them being referred to as a "democratic opposition.’ But no one can simply refer to them as ‘al Qaida terrorists’ or jihadists either. Many in fact are politically moderate and relatively indifferent to religion.

And your point with the U.S. Army? The Russian Army certainly had no problem blowing up market places during the Chechen War. And the Army in Afghanistan is relatively light on firepower and heavy weapons as they don’t really help all that much against guerrillas. I don’t think they even have any M-1A2 Abrams tanks there, I could be wrong about that though. And there is a huge difference between using firepower on insurgents and deliberately targeting civilians with it!

I have no idea what your point is with this and it is completely unrelated to the topic. But OF COURSE the CIA is in Libya!

There were no provocations. Why would a very weak, thinly defended embassy intentionally “provoke” an unpopular Islamic militia that most in Libya now hate and see as a destabilizing force. The CIA did have a ‘reaction force’ of about eight members to provide security, but they weren’t at the embassy during the initial attack. There were also no U.S. Marines there for political considerations and because Benghazi was considered relatively safe. I don’t know where you get your information, but it completely misrepresents the situation and there are indeed intelligence agencies of most nations operating in Libya, including the Russian SVR and FSB…

So what , to hell, a sense to support the bloody “OUR ba…rds” , trying to exchange one regime by another?Is that an “holy” AIM the US and CO targets in Syria? To exchange the assad by the another pro-american bas’rds?How about the democracy and lives of poor syrians?

Um, I’m not CNN’s biggest fan by any means, but you obviously haven’t watched much of it. There’s very little mention of the war in the U.S. media these days, especially with the elections here today. In any case, CNN reported recently that FSA forces summarily executed several captured Syrian Army members after a string of successful ambushes…and there’s not many people standing with the Assad regime these days other than the Iranians and the Russian gov’t…

Really? they finally start to tell a true?
Did they told you that th FSA terrorists "fighting the regime’ almost killed the UN monitors group?

In a fresh blow to the peace effort, the international monitors have been caught up in the violence as well.

A team of observers was evacuated from a tense town in northern Syria on Wednesday, one day after a roadside bomb hit their convoy and left them stranded overnight with rebel forces, a U.N. spokesman said. The team’s vehicles were struck by the blast Tuesday during a mission in the northern town of Khan Sheikhoun. None of the observers was wounded, but they had to spend the night with rebels in the area.

Hwo about to spend a night with “democratic rebels”?Much of impression will be guaranted!! The UN group proves:)The mojahedens so hard fight for democracy that explodes EVERYTHING, including the UN democrats:)I can imagine how many american ambasadors will be killed when the “democracy” finally won in Syria.

I don’t recall them being referred to as a "democratic opposition.’

Oh so short memory!! No wonder - seeing too much CNN and ABC ( or what else you look ?) never could be useful in traning memory or IQ.Poor my friend;)Let me remind you.AGAIN…
The Syriansupport group

“A support for establish free, independent, democratic Syria”- is it not NICE?! It almost make me cry…
And NOTICE the sign:
The Syrian Support Group has received license from the U.S. Department of Treasury
Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) to legally raise funds to support the Free Syrian Army

I think they just forgget to add - “Allah Acbar!!” down the page.SO would be better for collections of funds:) The Syrian mojahedens so POOR that US even has to organize the fund to support jihad.
No, i know it’s not a first time the US sponsors the Jihadist- there were the same in Afganistan and Bosnia. But, to call such a support- the “fight for democracy”- this is just geniously!!!How do you think?

But no one can simply refer to them as ‘al Qaida terrorists’ or jihadists either. Many in fact are politically moderate and relatively indifferent to religion.

So why ALL of them , aka “moderate”, shout “Allah Acbar” killing anybody on ANY VIDEO in youtube?Are you for “civilized mans” or for “savagery” Nicki?

And your point with the U.S. Army? The Russian Army certainly had no problem blowing up market places during the Chechen War. And the Army in Afghanistan is relatively light on firepower and heavy weapons as they don’t really help all that much against guerrilla!

Yes, so you see, we ALL uses the heavy weapon against terrorists. Why then assad can’t?

The idea is so simple!!! The CIA:)
They are not just doing their job in Lybia - they are in Syria too. But if to look carefully at what heppend to Lybia NOW- the ugly Islamic militia and ets- you should start to think!! The situation in Lybia NOW is a EXACTLY what is expecting Syrian after final defeat of assad. The CIA and who stand behind them obvioulsy don’t care neither about democracy nor about syrians, otherwise how they let those ugly Islamic militicia take a controll over country which wasn’t radical during Gadaffi. Finally we have an ONE more radical muslim state - Lybia, the well basis for Al-queda. Which seems doesn’t even border the CIA.But it should border ANY thinking american!!
Why not start thinking right now?
What does expect the peoples in Syria after downfall of moderate regime of assad on vivid example of Libya?

One more qite informative matter about how simular censorship works on BBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltz5M8L5VRw&feature=fvsr

he BBC has sensationally censored a news story and a video showing Syrian rebels forcing a prisoner to become a suicide bomber, a war crime under the Geneva Conventions, presumably because it reflected badly on establishment media efforts to portray the FSA as glorious freedom fighters.
[forcing a prisoner to become a suicide bomber clip]
http://youtu.be/Fbxz6THXsf4
The video, a copy of which can be viewed above (the original BBC version was deleted), shows Free Syrian Army rebels preparing a bomb that is loaded onto the back of a truck to be detonated at a government checkpoint in the city of Aleppo.

The clip explains how the rebels have commandeered an apartment belonging to a Syrian police captain. The rebels are seen sneering at photos of the police captain’s family while they proclaim, “Look at their freedom, look how good it is,” while hypocritically enjoying the luxury of the man’s swimming pool.

The video then shows a prisoner who the rebels claim belonged to a pro-government militia. Bruises from torture on the prisoner’s body are explained away as having been metered out by the man’s previous captors. The BBC commentary emphasizes how well the rebels are treating the man, showing them handing him a cigarette.

However, [b]the man has been tricked into thinking he is part of a prisoner exchange program when in reality he is being set up as an unwitting suicide bomber. The prisoner is blindfolded and told to drive the truck towards a government checkpoint.
“What he doesn’t know is that the truck is the one that’s been rigged with a 300 kilo bomb,” states the narrator.

The clip then shows rebels returning disappointed after it’s revealed that the remote detonator failed and the bomb did not explode.

The BBC narrator admits that forcing prisoners to become suicide bombers “would certainly be considered a war crime.”[/b]

Who else doubt to use a heavy weaponry agains such a “rebels”?

What would make a new regime necessarily bloody? Libya’s new gov’t isn’t. Certainly they’re better than that nutty ******* Gaddafi was…

Really? they finally start to tell a true?
Did they told you that th FSA terrorists "fighting the regime’ almost killed the UN monitors group?

So? They made a mistake then took care of the UN monitors, that happens in war. And did you selectively read the article and skip the part on how Assad’s forces intentionally opened fire on a civilian funeral procession? They seem rather trigger happy when it comes to large crowds at funerals and breadlines you know…

Hwo about to spend a night with “democratic rebels”?Much of impression will be guaranted!! The UN group proves:)The mojahedens so hard fight for democracy that explodes EVERYTHING, including the UN democrats:)I can imagine how many american ambasadors will be killed when the “democracy” finally won in Syria.

Oh so short memory!! No wonder - seeing too much CNN and ABC ( or what else you look ?) never could be useful in traning memory or IQ.Poor my friend;)Let me remind you.AGAIN…
The Syriansupport group

I don’t imagine they’ll let another ambassador get killed in a terrorist incident. Why do you care so much about American diplomatic personnel now?

I think they just forgget to add - “Allah Acbar!!” down the page.SO would be better for collections of funds:) The Syrian mojahedens so POOR that US even has to organize the fund to support jihad.
No, i know it’s not a first time the US sponsors the Jihadist- there were the same in Afganistan and Bosnia. But, to call such a support- the “fight for democracy”- this is just geniously!!!How do you think?

So why ALL of them , aka “moderate”, shout “Allah Acbar” killing anybody on ANY VIDEO in youtube?Are you for “civilized mans” or for “savagery” Nicki?

Yes, so you see, we ALL uses the heavy weapon against terrorists. Why then assad can’t?

“Allah Akbar” is a pretty standard refrain in the Arab world and is often used even by secular Muslims. And if you’re using Bosnia as an example of Islamic extremism, you’re quite possibly losing your mind as the securing of Bosnia-Herzegovina created a pro-Western democracy and a bastion against extremism. The Afghan jihadist argument is old and tired and the CIA never directly aided Bin Laden’s groups there and allowed the ISI and more extreme elements to be supported by the Saudis unfortunately. But the Soviets certainly didn’t appear successful in fighting Islamic extremism there, did they? The USSR actually had as much to do with the radicalization of the population there as anyone.

And I never said Assad can’t use heavy weapons on “terrorists”, or what most people think is a legitimate army of resistance. The point is he used heavy weapons to purposely target civilians, and does to this day as Syrian women and children are routinely targeted in breadlines…

So what? Are you seriously suggesting that Ghaddafi was better than the current Libyan gov’t? Are you seriously calling Assad’s regime “moderate?”

I can’t comment on the video now I don’t have time, but “Infowars” is a joke and Alex Jones is a ****wit who routinely makes conspiratorial, sensationalist claims that have noting to do with reality. I think there’s a video on Youtube showing dozens of his “predictions” that never came through, yet he never admits he’s wrong.

How to say!?Do you think that ugly Islamic militia provoking the riots, sunni ethnic terror and ruthless Sharia law - aren’t ENOUGH bloody by your mind?At least it didn’t happen within Gaddafi rule…

So? They made a mistake then took care of the UN monitors, that happens in war. And did you selectively read the article and skip the part on how Assad’s forces intentionally opened fire on a civilian funeral procession? They seem rather trigger happy when it comes to large crowds at funerals and breadlines you know…

You seems pretty selectively take the ALL matter as well. The fact of attack on UN convoy just proves the “rebels” has no absolutly rules in their terrorist war and targets ALL the vehicles , including civils!!!The UN observers were a damn lucky not being killed by explosion.And , as the article is pro-western ( anti-assad) and biased they also have mentioned the “opened fire on a civilian funeral procession”- which doesn’t clarify the reasons of fire!it might be the answered fire , provoked by previous attack, so simular for terrorist.

“Allah Akbar” is a pretty standard refrain in the Arab world and is often used even by secular Muslims.

This is just widespread nonsense! The arab world is a NOT ALL THE SAME.The secular Muslim don’t praise allah , killing anybody! The secular muslim are the ordinary assad soldiers - they muslim as well and they are not shout “allah acbar” in a combat.Just coz they enough secular and civilized( in terms of regular army discipline). The Syrian muslims are not the match to the crazy WAHABI radical fighters from Saudi.
The secular muslims on the West are the civilized peaceful people who can’t hurt anybody on ethnic or religious basis.DO you hint on that ugly crowd of b…rds wich throwed the people from top of building are SECULAR?

And if you’re using Bosnia as an example of Islamic extremism, you’re quite possibly losing your mind as the securing of Bosnia-Herzegovina created a pro-Western democracy and a bastion against extremism. The Afghan jihadist argument is old and tired and the CIA never directly aided Bin Laden’s groups there and allowed the ISI and more extreme elements to be supported by the Saudis unfortunately. But the Soviets certainly didn’t appear successful in fighting Islamic extremism there, did they? The USSR actually had as much to do with the radicalization of the population there as anyone.

Yes , they didn’t , just like the unsuccesfull Americans NOW there. Sure the idiot Breznev did a much for radicalizasion of Afganistan by ugly soviet imperial policy there. But wasn’t that not Zbignev Brzeginsky who went to Ben-Laden and discussed the us military help to radicals?And if Saudi is so nasty supporting the Al-quada all around world- why then US finaly invaded Afganistan instead to start intervention agains Jihadist in Saidi?
They seems just use the "jihadist war theme ’ to justify the own imperialism,aren’t they?

And I never said Assad can’t use heavy weapons on “terrorists”, or what most people think is a legitimate army of resistance. The point is he used heavy weapons to purposely target civilians, and does to this day as Syrian women and children are routinely targeted in breadlines…

So the US/Israel targets the ONLY terrorist!!!??Come on Niki. I wrote you - you are TOO old to be naive?Or yo specially fools me?
When US fough Faluji, Iraq in 2004 and used the white -phosphorous shells which caused a serious casualties among civils , including a lot of woman and children - Its OK!!
When US army wiped out entires villiages in Nothern Vietnam , bombed it with Orange( still there born a babies with serious defects) - No problems , this is everything for democracy and WOMAN AND CHILDREN!!!
If the Assad use the artillery - this is a crime against woman and children?
What is going on? The CIA has recruited you?So far you’ve been responsible ,critically thinking and social-oriented american.Not you just repeat that propogandic nonsense from CNN!
Why do you think should assad target to kill the OWN Syrian women and children? Unless the terrorist used the civils as cover, attcking the army from building , full of civils?