Hitler's Biggest Mistake?

I think then they been prepare for war,but fight on too much fronts are destroyd them.

In that time ,which country can fight on all sides of world,with out help,germans allies hmmm…italy is wiped out in first years of war,others is been to weak ,croatia,romania and others.

If i am in wrong warning me on nice way,not attack me …not you alephh , who they are they are know. :wink:

I agree with the post that Hitler allowed England to get out of Dunkirk. Hitler did admire the British and perhaps cost him the war. Along with attrition.

[quote]Germany had capacity to produce over 22,000 armored fighting vehicles per year, and they only produced 1,300.

I think then they been prepare for war, but fight on too much fronts are destroyd them.[/quote]

But why there were so many fronts - wouldn’t you say because germans didn’t have enough military power (production) to win quickly? :slight_smile:

With 5% of potential production they managed to capture over 30%-50% of several Soviet resources (food, iron ore, etc). What if germany had produced 10%, or 20% of their capacity? Then the strike against Soviet Union would have been strong enough to end (at least major) fighting on that front.

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German industry wasn’t prepared for war, they didn’t even go to a war footing (ie women in factories, working night shifts, stopping production of luxury items) until late in the war. German preperation for the war was woeful.

I agree with that. But even so, the quality of the items they were able to produce was amazing - such as the Tiger tank.

I’d say from my historical perspective that it’s a toss up. Taking on either the USA or the USSR was a big mistake. It wouldn’t have mattered really as Germany could have coped with ONE front after North Africa was over but not both. It’s totally well known that Germany was NOT ready for war BEFORE any other factor was involved.

In the same perspective,neither were any of the Allies prepared. Yes,there were a lot of factors. Bailling El duce out of his mess ups postponing the Russian campaign. Which,was necessary as stalin was going to do the same to Germany.

i believe that United States a big trap to the germans because at that U.S. has many nuclear weapon although russia has develop its nuclear but it economy is failed due to crisis according to world war II history when the german attacks the russia.The russian believe that they will defeat the germans they believe that there military is capable of destroying the german nazi but they wrong.The German Nazi are very ready than they expect with the help of Jewish engineer they develop and improve the weapon of the german nazi military.But when the U.S. arrive theydestroy
the food facilities military barracks of the german nazis . The U.S. did have not any difficulties in destroying the german nazi military.

i hopeu understand all of u :frowning:

and also U.S. has many nuclear weapon than the russia atthe time of World war II Russia is porwerful in terms of military population but U.S. is powerful also in terms of military population and military technology. and also at that almost all of the UN member are allied of the united states of america and until nowU.S. is the most powerful country in the world U.S. once called police of the world he is the only nation who can make operation in every part of the world at any time at all coast no matter what situation no matter what climate. U.S. is the most powerful nation in the whole he believe in god but excuse me im not american im from the asian nation telling u my knowledge about United States telling about my feeling in these nation U.S. is the once who maintain not only in his nation but also the whole world may god bless u all :slight_smile:

The USA had no nuclear weapons or allies in the UN at its time of entry into WW2. Nuclear Weapons came just before the end of the war, the UN later than that.

Although the Allies (US, UK, Soviet Union, etc.) did refer to themselves as the “United Nations” from time to time. I’m pretty sure they did so at Yalta for instance.

The Allies did also refer to themselves as the united nations, but in the contextm Floyd08 was referring to the United Nations Organisation.

I voted for not taking out England. Why?

Lets say Hitler did.

There would be no front in Africa=more men and supplies for the Russian invasion.

I’m sure Germany would have gained many capital ships from GB would have detered US intervention esp. when Pearl Harbor would occur later down the road. And even if the US intervened during the whole “invasion” process, the Americans would have been under maned and under gunned. Would have been disasterous. Plus Japan would have def ran even wilder if most of the US forces were tied up in GB.

SO

-GB would be OUT
-US would def be a hurting unit
-More troops for Russian campaign
-With no threat from US Japan would be strong and confident to attack USSR
-Plus Russia would have no lend lease from US or GB

After USSR is defeated Im pretty sure US would NOT be invaded but would have to play to AXIS policy. Unless A-bombs were dropped on the US, which could have been a possiblity by 1946/47 by both Japan and Germany.

It was closer than what people thought.

The biggest hitler’s mistake was to born.

To add to this, the commonwealth would not have joined, India, Canada, and the ANZACs, contributed allot. It has been said that before the end of WW2, Germany actually tested a form of “nuclear bomb”. Another year or so and things might of been different.

Hi SAM, where have you been hiding then?

Congratulations; you’ve hit upon the correct answer. Certainly everything mentioned in the list of dumb moves by Hitler deserves
consideration; but none of them tops his refusal to maximize his
chances as the war began. Hitler’s single greatest mistake was his
Operational Order For The Conduct Of The War No. 2, issued September
3rd, 1939. It was his reaction to the declaration of war on Germany by
Britain and France. His gamble to bluff the Allies again had failed, and
now he faced war an a large scale and blockade. What was in this Order
No. 2? It placed all applicable German industry on a war footing; but did
not seek to maximize production by placing war industry on a 24-hr. production schedule. In other words, organizing for war in breadth but
not in depth. This did not happen until after Stalingrad, when Albert Speer
produced the production ‘miracle’. By then it was far too late. Using the
figures from 1943-44 and beginning in late 1939, it can be projected that
Germany would have had 3-400 more aircraft for the Battle Of Britain, and
would be outproducing the British. Even the bumbling Goering would have
a hard time screwing up that advantage.
More importantly, the Wehrmacht would have had approximately 5400
battle tanks for Operation Barbarossa, instead of the 2800 they started
with. Hitler’s dreams of conquest were bold, but his ideas at the operational level were timid. This showed itself in the leadup to the Battle
Of France. There was no plan to strike deep into France, only short-range
attacks against the Allies in Belgium and Holland. The downed aircraft with
the German plans that fell into Allied hands that winter allowed Manstein
to introduce his plan, and the rest is history. Likewise for Barbarossa,
Hitler interfered with OKW’s plan to prioritize Moscow, altering the basic
plan to require that Army Group North capture Leningrad, and Army Group
South capture the Ukraine BEFORE they could go after Moscow. Fortunately for the Wehrmacht, Army Group North moved so fast that
Hitler allowed Hoth’s panzer army to assist Army Group Center in the
Battle Of Smolensk. When this battle was over at the end of July '41,
62 German divisions sat astride the Moscow highway only 120 miles from
the Kremlin, facing 28 hastily-scraped together Red Army divisions.
This opportunity only lasted two weeks; the only chance Germany had
for victory.
Unfortunately for the invaders, they didn’t have enough armour and
other motorized transport to go around. Von Kleist’s panzers, part of
Runstedt’s Army Group South, was struggling to break through the
Russian forces southeast of Kiev, and the whole offensive was behind
schedule. Hitler worried about the long salient running from Smolensk
to Kiev. Therefore, he made the fatal error to send Guderian south
to assist Von Kleist. IF the Wehrmact had the additional 2600 tanks
that all-out production could have produced between October '39 and
June '41, there would be no need to send Guderian south. There would
be plenty of reserves to replace the many breakdowns. Hoth’s and
Guderian’s reinforced panzer armies would have swept behing Moscow
in late August '41, cutting off the north-south Soviet railnet. This would
isolate both Moscow AND reverse the fronts for both Leningrad and Kiev.
Leningrad would be completely cut off and strategically irrelevant. The
Red Army’s Southwest Front would be forced to try to escape to Kharkov
and points east, but part of Guderian’s army could easily head south and
cut them off by going through Kursk, Belgorod, Kharkov, and finally Rostov-On-Don. European Russian would be lost.
All this would happen IF the proper order had been given in 1939,
despite der Fuhrer’s meddling. Germany would be in control of Europe
from Ireland to the Volga, her armies essentially intact, and still not at
war with the U.S. Even if the U.S. declared war in the fall of '40 after
a successful German invasion of England, it would take until at least
mid-1942 before she could do anything about it. By then, the Germans
would have had a year to consolidate and exploit her new resources,
and shift her forces to the West. This leads directly to Hitler’s second
greatest mistake; disinterst in atomic power. Hitler’s lack of scientific
education, plus his ‘victory fever’ after France fell, led to the low
priority of German nuclear program. Heisenberg was about three
years from getting the bomb in '45. If the ‘Heroes Of Telemark’ had
failed, maybe two years. With full backing of the German government
from '41 onwards, maybe by late '45. Without the bomb, fleets of
B-36’s would have destroyed Germany in 1946. With it, V-4 rockets
and/or four-engine jet Amerikabombers could have hit New York,
Washington, etc.
Hitler’s third biggest mistake was declaring war on the U.S. when he
didn’t have to. The treaty between the Axis powers only required aid
if another Axis partner was attacked. Since Japan did the attacking,
there was no requirement for aid. If Hitler had not declared war,
it might have been six months or even a year before the Americans
declared war.
I consider his ‘mistake’ of attacking the Soviet Union ONLY a mistake
because of his lack of preparation. As Commisar Ombrok has stated
elswhere in these posts, Stalin had a plan to conquer Europe as soon
as the Germans were worn down fighting the Allies. His target date;
July 6, 1941. He had nearly 30% of his armoured forces stationed in
or near the border with Rumania, in the newly extorted district of
Bukovina. His plan was to quickly grab the Ploesti oil fields, starve the
Germans of fuel, and then attack Berlin. Hitler beat him to the punch
by two weeks, catching the Red Army in mid-deployment. Stalin went
into a funk, knowing his plan for conquest was gone. This makes it all
the more curious as to why he kept calling for a ‘second front’ in 1943,
when it was obvious that the Germans had lost. Without the Normandy
invasion, Stalin could have rolled to Paris.

HEINRICI, please post the source as well.

There are dozens of sources that are involved; mostly books such
as Col. Seaton’s ‘The Battle Of Moscow’, and the best single source
I have found on the war in the East, which is at :
www.wargamesdirectory.com/html/articles/HitlersPanzersEast/default.asp

My views on Stalin depends in some respect on the opinions of
Commisar Ombrok, a frequent poster on this site. He seems to be an
expert on Stalin, and I have yet to find any contradiction of his
statements. The only major question I have left on these matters
is what would have been left of Soviet industrial capability after the
loss of the Moscow area? I have been able to track the movement
east in late 1941 of some of the Russian industrial giants, but not
enough information to determine what they could have produced in
1942-3. The aircraft manufacturer Sukhoi, for example, moved all
the way to Vladivostok; but I have no idea how the raw materials
would get to them or from where. I do know this; If the Russians had
lost the Caucasus and it’s oil, they still had plenty of reserves in Central
Siberia and elsewhere.

Hitler’s greatest mistake? Got to be that moustache. Did nothing for him.