cases 100x132 rim 115
italian made brass case
ex austrian case with italian markings
italian made iron = ferro
polish case remarked by italian, and german umgestempelt (this is a 100x183 case cut down…I think)
case with element
and element
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Anyone happen to have any details for the methods for massing battalion and multibattalion artillery fires? I’m searching for information and unrefined data on the procedures and equipment used for the command and control of the Italian divsion and corps/army artillery. please contact me here or directly if you have any knowledge or sources for this.
Thanks
Carl.
I’m really interested in this topic too. Information on Italian artillery doctrine of WWII is so hard to find. Especially on the larger scale firing plans.
David…have you found anything at all concerning this? I’ve absolutely nothing for the Italians, and a few bits for the Germans.
Carl.
Nothing on the larger scale Italian firing plans, no.
What about at the smaller battery or battalion scale?
I’ve heard the italian artillery was technically proficient. So, one naturally wonders if they could mass battalion and regiment fires as rapidly as the British or US artillery could.
There is a little information here, ( http://www.comandosupremo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=826&hilit=+Italian+artillery+doctrine+&start=0 ) if you can sift through three pages.
David…thanks. I’m familar with the site, but that is worth reviewing for new material.
Italian Artillery in North Africa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861CfTOeUFg&feature=related
At about 23 seconds in I am not sure if its the 90mm AA Italian gun or the 88mm German AA/AT gun?
Is a german 88 flak 18, but the crew is italian.
Thanks for the confirmation, it was just wishful thinking on my part as I have yet to see footage of the Italian 90mm in action.
From what I have read it was an excellent piece and more than equal to the 88.
A little more powerful actually, sligtly heavier proyectile at 853 mps compared with 800-820 mps of the german gun ( with the exception of Flak 41 wich was very powerful)
For more footage of italian guns, here:
i will say it is a canone da 90/53 even better than the flak 88
It probably was, however the german fire control was a bit better.
The 88 had a greater ceiling.
There were a lot of AA guns in its class that were better than the 88mm in pure, or theoretical, AA performance. I think the notoriety of the 88 is -being a bit overrated as a ‘super-weapon’ IMO- not because of any superior performance as a gun, but in its low weight, ammunition, versatility, and the training of the crews manning them…
The 88 had a greater ceiling.
Depend on wich variant, the 90 mm italian gun had a heavier projectile projected at 850 mps, compared with the 820 mps of the flak 36, the 88mm Flak 41 is better than both however.
There were a lot of AA guns in its class that were better than the 88mm in pure, or theoretical, AA performance. I think the notoriety of the 88 is -being a bit overrated as a ‘super-weapon’ IMO- not because of any superior performance as a gun, but in its low weight, ammunition, versatility, and the training of the crews manning them
The notoriety is evidently as antitank weapon.
Maybe a little bit off topic but one question always wonders me when speaking of Italians in WW2 … does really the italians were so bad fighters in WW2 or that is a fake and they were moderate as they were against superior enemy ? ( something like Germany latter in the war )
