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OK , its clear , all world’s evil come from …ducth:) who have bought all the bikes for their grass that they smoke all the time.Obviously they have started the ww2, make Commintern to order to red army to steal all the European bikes.And made Japane suckered into China.
The Japane is a victim of Commintern, that BTW has been established and worked in the Soviet Russia since 1917, alongside Zionists.
So the only question that we shall discuss , according General Toshio Tamogami concepts of history, is why did dastard Comminter order to American gov to start to bomb the Japane, that obviously was innocent , and has been provoked by the Commintern , placed in Russia
The most recent evidence suggests that the Japanese PM is just a bigoted, upper class, overly rich idiot. Then again, that’s the crew from which he is directly descended which supported and profited from Japan’s last great failed attempt to take over Asia.
Japan leader irks public with insensitive remark
By MARI YAMAGUCHITOKYO (AP) — Japan’s gaffe-prone prime minister is in trouble again — this time for a remark criticizing the elderly for racking up medical expenses and being a tax burden.
“They’re hobbling around and constantly going to the doctor,” Prime Minister Taro Aso was quoted as saying in a transcript of a Nov. 20 meeting of ministers on economic policies. Aso also said the elderly should be faulted for not exercising enough.
The transcript was released overnight, drawing immediate criticism in the Japanese media and forcing an apology from the prime minister Thursday.
“I apologize if the remarks offended people who are suffering illnesses,” Aso said on nationally televised news.
He told reporters that he intended to talk about the value of preventive medicine and merely highlight the gap between people who take care of their health and those who do not.
Opposition leader Yukio Hatoyama lambasted Aso.
“I can’t help but wonder whether such a person is really fit to be prime minister,” Hatoyama said.
Aso’s comments are likely to erode his already sagging popularity.
He has already had to apologize for joking about people with Alzheimer’s disease, saying the ideal country would be one that attracts “the richest Jewish people,” and comparing the opposition Democratic Party of Japan to the Nazis.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g_sK6_doonbtCR8qDquVWTc7LUHQD94N9K282
Mate, haven’t you been listening to the Western press? 
Russia (previously the USSR although most commentators couldn’t tell the difference) is the greatest threat to world peace, as demonstrated by some of its military aggression where it fielded huge forces in conflicts such as the Vietnam War; Gulf War I; and Gulf War II, where Russia / the USSR went way beyond its borders while the West stayed home in its usual peaceful fashion. :rolleyes:
Mate the most of “commentators” still think that USA was fighting with both Germany and USSR ( who fight alongside) in ww2 and seriously wondering when they learn - Why there were no Shermans M4 during “Kursk battle”.
I did see a book in a library that appeared to be arguing that nazism had its roots in Russia. I did not examine the book in detail but I think the title was “The Russian Roots of Nazism” or something like that. However, this might be irrelevant to the war crimes of the Japanese.
Do people feel that starting in the 1930s the Japanese started behaving considerably more viciously towards other people than was the case beforehand? I was under the impression that in the Russo-Japanese war, WWI and the Japanese intervention in Siberia, atrocities did not occur that approached the scale of those in the 1930s and 1940s. However, I would be interested in other people’s opinions.
During the Russo-Japanese War Japan went out of its way to observe the Hague Convention and generally to advertise to the world that it would treat Russian prisoners humanely.
A lot of this arose from Japan’s desire to be seen as an equal to European nations in its international conduct rather than from any internal humanitarian tradition on treatment of prisoners of war.
In practice the high standards weren’t always observed in prison camps where local commandants took a narrower view, but generally the Russians were fed, housed, and treated adequately, and rather better than many prisoners of war during the American Civil War and by European nations during the First World War.
However, there were still tensions within the Japanese military about treating the prisoners so well as many officers thought it was rewarding Russians for becoming prisoners when they should have been ashamed of surrendering.
Nonetheless, while inevitably there were some instances of slight to moderate brutality towards some Russian prisoners, in general they were well treated by the standards of the day. There was certainly none of the brutality and sadism which accompanied Japan’s later military adventures in China and other parts of Asia and the Pacific.
Do people find it odd that the Japanese would suddenly become far more brutal than they had been before? What caused this? The idea that entire nations would suddenly turn evil seems far fetched but it seems that one could make a case that this is what happened in Germany and Japan. Do people have any theories as to what caused Germany and Japan to turn to the dark side?
It would be interesting to know if the axis leaders gave any signs of turning evil back during WWI that could have foreshadowed their later villainy.
One might equally ask what provoked the Japanese to be such great humanitarians during the Russo-Japanese and Great Wars?
I’d suggest that the answer is that Japan was trying to establish itself among the great nations, and to do so it tried to outdo them in its Western conduct.
The next question is what provoked Japan to reverse that process?
I’d suggest that, in part, it was because the Western nations, notably Britain and America, abandoned Japan in various respects after WWI and treated it as an inferior. This influenced Japanese nationalism, which was already present for other reasons, to focus more on Japanese than Western values and history which extolled the virtues of, for example, the samurai which was then moulded to the ambitions of the nationalists and militarists in the late 1920s and 1930s.
What makes you think they abandoned Japan? I can certainly believe that the Japanese were treated as inferiors by some people in America and elsewhere but racism against the Japanese was prevalent prior to WWI. What makes you think the treatment of the Japanese was worse prior to WWI? Not trying to be argumentative, just curious.
Britain made an unnecessary enemy of Japan at the 1921 Washington Conference by ending its alliance with Japan, under prodding from America, Canada and Australia. Up to that point Japan had regarded its alliance with Britain as a pillar of its foreign and defence policies. Not unlike Australia’s view of its alliance with Britain, which fell apart in rather more pressing circumstances a couple of decades later under pressure from the Japanese advances. The difference was that Japan saw its alliance with Britain as confirming its status as an important power, which self-image was damaged by the unilateral termination of the alliance by Britain. Fair weather friends, and all that!
Japan was consistently reminded of its inferior status in the eyes of the Western nations which had forced it into trade with them against its will. Australia’s White Australia policy from the beginning of the 20th century. The rejection of Japan’s ill-conceived racial equality proposal at Versailles in 1919 (ill-conceived because no colonial nation could accept what was intended by Japan to be a “Japanese equality” clause), largely at Australia‘s instigation. America’s anti-Japanese immigration policy in 1924.
Where Japan had been nominally, and conveniently, an Ally in WWI with the Western Allies, those Allies rapidly treated it with contempt and generated some of the antipathy which would result in WWII.
#15 at http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4631
I don’t think it was worse prior to WWI, but prior to WWII.
I know. Your questions are perfectly reasonable.
Maybe I should have said the West ‘rejected’ Japan rather than ‘abandoned’ it.
Embarrassement, humiliation, scorn. These three adjectives coming from a nation, Germany, who not only lost but divided four times by the allied powers. Italy, on the other hand, did not suffer as much at the hands of the allied powers mostly because changed sides in 1943 and allowed to quickly join NATO. Japan was occupied by American forces until the 1960s.
01/12/09 06:36 AM
Revisionists defending Japan’s role in WWII remain widely popular
By Mari Yamaguchi
ASSOCIATED PRESS
TOKYO — Toshio Tamogami draws a full pension, gives lectures, appears on television talk shows and is treated with respect.
Not bad for a general who two months ago was fired for writing an essay justifying Japan’s entry into World War II.
The case of the ousted air force chief reveals how the idea that Japan’s war was justified still lives on in the minds of many Japanese, including powerful ones.
When Japan went to war, the nation was told it was for self-defense, to free Asia from Western colonial powers and to deter the United States from attacking Japan.
Japan officially abandoned that view of history after its crushing defeat in 1945. But every so often a Japanese higher-up would roil the waters by justifying Japanese conduct in the war and treatment of its neighbors. Not until 1995 did a Japanese prime minister acknowledge his country was an aggressor that had brought about great suffering in Asia.
The air force chief’s essay shows that Japan’s argument with history isn’t over.
It was entered in a contest sponsored by a commercial company and conducted by Toshio Motoya, a right-leaning businessman. Motoya said 235 essays were submitted, a third by air force officers, and most shared Tamogami’s views.
“We should review our perspective of history and become a truly independent nation, or our future is at risk,” Motoya said. “I’m confident Mr. Tamogami will get credit some day for sacrificing his job by what he wrote.”
Tamogami, 60, called his essay “Was Japan an Aggressor Nation?” and wrote that Japan has been unjustly subjected to “the history of the victor.”
He also said his country deserves praise for building universities in Taiwan and Korea when they were Japanese colonies before the war. The affair made headlines and stirred debate in parliament.
While Prime Minister Taro Aso has been circumspect, saying only that Tamogami’s public expression of such views was out of step with government statements, former Trade Minister Takeo Hiranuma praised Tamogami for his frankness.
“What Mr. Tamogami said was true,” he said in a video on his Web site. “We should take this opportunity to study harder so we can have correct views of Japan’s history.”
But about 140 members of the History Educators Conference of Japan issued a protest.
“There are many people, including political leaders, who support Tamogami’s views,” said Hisao Ishiyama, a historian. “It’s not a problem of one fanatic military official.”
Tamogami’s views are common among nationalists, including former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who, with a strong segment of the ruling party behind him, spearheaded a partially successful campaign over several years to remove mention of Japan’s wartime atrocities from textbooks.
Only in recent years, after lawsuits from victims, has Japan acknowledged many of its brutalities, including the use of poison gas in China.
He forgot to mention a railway built in Thailand by Japan during the war, not to mention grave sites all along its length, and free trips for Korean girls all over the Pacific where they could be educated even further by selfless Japanese soldiers willing to give up their time for the purpose. :rolleyes:
Yes. It was really quite touching the way the average Japanese Imperial Soldier gave up his precious virginity to pleasure these girls…
Yes, and what gratitude did they get from the Korean girls? Just baseless allegations of rape and sexual slavery.
No wonder some Japanese feel that their war activities aren’t properly appreciated. :evil:
This is stopid …nonsense.
Indeed Nacism was born in/for mono-national society.
In multinational state like Russian Empire was - nacism was never a real matter.To the contrast of sort of internationalism.
The Nacism might be applied ONLY in the single -ethnical monogam state kinda GErmany , Japane , Finland or …Israel( yea why not:) - where the absolute majority of inhabitans belongs to the single Ethnical group.
True, some people in Russian were developing the Natism theory, but this EVil ( as other Evil- Communism) has come to Russia from the West.
Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945
I did see a book in a library that appeared to be arguing that nazism had its roots in Russia. I did not examine the book in detail but I think the title was “The Russian Roots of Nazism” or something like that.
[b]The Russian Roots of Nazism[/b]
White Émigrés and the Making of National Socialism, 1917–1945
“This book examines the overlooked topic of the influence of anti-Bolshevik, anti-Semitic Russian exiles on Nazism. White émigrés contributed politically, financially, militarily, and ideologically to National Socialism. This work refutes the notion that Nazism developed as a peculiarly German phenomenon: it arose primarily from the cooperation between völkisch (nationalist/racist) Germans and vengeful White émigrés. From 1920–1923, Adolf Hitler collaborated with a conspiratorial far right German-White émigré organization, Aufbau (Reconstruction). Aufbau allied with Nazis to overthrow the German government and Bolshevik rule through terrorism and military-paramilitary schemes. This organization’s warnings of the monstrous ‘Jewish Bolshevik’ peril helped to inspire Hitler to launch an invasion of the Soviet Union and to initiate the mass murder of European Jews. This book uses extensive archival materials from Germany and Russia, including recently declassified documents, and will prove invaluable reading for anyone interested in the international roots of National Socialism.”
Funny, as I in my turn saw a book “English roots of German Fascism”.
He he he
I think the Author the same:)
Funny enough , but this is well know fact that the Root of Ethnical extremism/racis/nacism is coming fromm…Bible, Old Testament.
Where from the is Hiler getting crazy idea about “chosen Nation” ?
I don’t see what the roots of Nazism have to do with post-war Japanese revisionism, but Michael Kellogg expands on his thesis here and I think it’s worth reading. http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/soc/groups/scr/kellogg.pdf
Views about Jewish influences in Russian and Soviet developments are a continuing theme in, both reputable and disreputable, analyses of Russian revolutionary history and subsequent developments, and quite reasonably so.
Kellogg’s views might be intrepreted as emigres hostile to the post-revolutionary Russian developments being willing to encourage and align themselves with anyone who would help them strike at the Jewish cabal they saw as the cause of their dispossession and emigration, which combined with emerging German Nazi ideology to result in the German Nazis assault on both Jews and Russians during the Nazi ascendancy.
It is entirely consistent with the actions of dispossessed emigre groups in host nations that they they try to manipulate the host nation to achieve the results they failed to achieve before they were forced to leave their home country, such as Cubans in America who have a political influence in Florida and the nation out of all proportion to their and Cuba’s (in)significance to America nowadays.
Kellogg’s analysis raises the possibility that disaffected Russians contributed to the Nazi depredations in the USSR, in pursuit of the emigres’ ambitions to regain power in Russia. Again, that is a reasonable thesis in the history of emigre movements.
I think Kellogg’s views are worth discussing, in a calm and rational manner. If others agree, I’ll separate the relevant posts into a new thread.
Actualy yes if to separate the Emigrant Movement from Nazis Colloborators&Criminals( some of them as we know have escaped in West after the war).
I think you shall to know that the Real Russian Emigrants like (General Anton Denikin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Ivanovich_Denikin ) has comdemned the Russian-Nacis colloborationism.