It was in other category, I think the Ju-390 weights like 2 or 3 B-17s.
Correct. Also, the mindset of the Luftwaffe middle management was very much geared towards tactical air support of troops and operations. Mainly because most Luftwaffe senior officers started out in the infantry, and thusly were most concerned with supporting the Wehrmacht directly.
Is the tipical quantity vs quality discussion .
About the Ju-390:
Extract from “Combat aircrafts of Hitler s Luftwaffe. 1939-45” David Donald.
Here’s an interesting story for the conspiracy/mystery lovers…
There is some debate as to whether both of the two Ju 390 built flew. FAGr.5 unit logs show that the V1 prototype (serial marking GH+UK) was used. A Rechlin Test pilot, Oberleutnant Eisermann records in his logbook that he flew the V2 prototype (RC+DA) as late as February 1944. Photographs of two quite distinct Ju 390 aircraft in flight survive from World War II, but the airframe of prototype number 2 was never located after the war.
Hitler’s armaments minister Albert Speer gave testimony that a Ju 390 aircraft flown by Junkers test pilots flew a polar route to Japan in 1944.
I heard that was a ju290 instead of the 390.
it is sad, that the strategic thinking Wever was died along with luftwaffe interest on strategic bomber requirement, the Ural Bomber. And was replaced with very much tactical minded person that leads Luftwaffe armed with rather smaller bombers, that purposed more to support of conventional battlefield.
Should Gen. Wever still alive and well by 1942,. that would a scary thought of having four engined bombers across the england,. escorted with much abled Fw 187s or perhaps long range He112s. And Urals Tankograd being grinded with Ural Bombers and red army was with less T34s.
I was disappointed to see some mention of the mythical Ju-390 New York flight, it’s unfortunate to see that story still gets a nudge every now and again, especially from people who should know better!
I think we should have a thread on the conspiracy theories comcerning th ju390/Ju290.
it is sad, that the strategic thinking Wever was died along with luftwaffe interest on strategic bomber requirement, the Ural Bomber. And was replaced with very much tactical minded person that leads Luftwaffe armed with rather smaller bombers, that purposed more to support of conventional battlefield.
Should Gen. Wever still alive and well by 1942,. that would a scary thought of having four engined bombers across the england,. escorted with much abled Fw 187s or perhaps long range He112s. And Urals Tankograd being grinded with Ural Bombers and red army was with less T34s.
Well, It is a relif that he did not live after 42; more poeple would have died.
sad to hitler and the gang i meant ;)
And there wouldn’t have been fleets of four engined bombers over England in 1942, they would all be in the East. Even if they did fly against England, is there any reason to think that the Spitfires, now cannon armed, wouldn’t wreak havoc on the German vier moterens any less efficiently than the tagjäger did against the USAAF over Germany? What sort of fighter escort would they have had over England? Where was all the fuel coming from to run this armarda of four engined bombers? It was way too late in 1942 to use them against England, and even if they could reach the Urals, no Luftwaffe fighters could have protected them, so what would the ever improving Red Air Force have done against them in daylight? Germany had no need for strategic bombers when the war broke out, they needed tactical support, which is what they got. By the time they needed a strategic bomber fleet, the Americans were starting to show interest in using England as a giant air base, which required Germany to make fighters, fighters and more fighters! And they didn’t get them then, imagine what effect on fighter production a strategic bomber programme would have had!
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what was i am trying to say, was, should General walter Wever was not dead in June 1936. He was a strategic minded persons, There were indeed ural bombers, Do 18 and Ju 89, and they were both good.
And FW 187, it was much superior than BBf110 in most of every aspect, especially the range, which could be a descend escort for long range vier Motoren bombers.
The Heinkel He 177 Greif was an advanced bomber for it’s time, over 1,300 of all types being built.
The end for the He 177 came in late 1944 when high grade fuel wasn´t available in the quantity needed to operate a whole Geschwader and the implementation of the Emergency Fighter Program. At this point the He 177 proved to be the most reliable, rugged and technically advanced bomber of the Luftwaffe.
If the Luftwaffe had more of them early in the war to strike Soviet production centres being established behind the Urals, it may have had an impact, but I guess the Soviets would have simply withdrew further into Siberia, the advantage of almost limitless space.
Loaded weight: 31,000 kg (68,340 lb)
Length: 22 m (72 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 31.44 m (103 ft 1 in)
Armament
2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannon
3 x MG 131 machine gun
3 x MG 81 machine gun
up to 7,200 kg (15,873 lb) of bombs or 3 guided missiles Henschel Hs 293 or Fritz X
Well the engines had a bad habit of catcing fire…
The Soviets could not keep moving their production plants without seriously affecting production. The He177 or even the DO89 could have made a big difference. Tactically, the Luftwaffe was excellent, but strategically it was poor.
The He-177 would have been much better with four single engines, ala He-277 or the even better He-274.
Luftwaffe did assemble bombers for use against strategic targets in the east from time to time, only to disperse them again to deal with “emergency” tactical situations. A concerted programme of strategic bombing, even on a small scale, would have been quite useful for the Germans, but when the “Blitz´es” were over and the need for strategic bombing manifested itself the situation on the ground demanded (the Germans thought) the bombers be used for tactical purposes and to be perverted (and lost) in transport operations for which they were ill suited.
BV-222 Wiking:
Heavy 6 engine flying boat originally developed for Lufthansa in 1937 for the transatlantic Berlin-New York route, seized by the luftwaffe in wartime and devoted to long range recce and transport missions.
dont want to be the bad guy here but for your info the biggest plane of ww2 was a soviet plane but it wasnt used in war the same goes for the german big plane dorneer and something dont remember the model