Sorry I overlook that. :neutral:
Not a problem Panzerknacker 
The wording of the article was a little confusing. I think what it meant to say was that the original M-26 Pershing weighed 45 tons. It would have been more clear if the article had also mentioned that the weight of the T-29 was heavier at 62.5 tons.
BTW - Nice pics.
I think it bears mentioning that the “heavies” like the T-29 actually did bear fruition. The M103 Heavy Tank served in the US Army and Marine Corp’s motor pools into the 1970s, as a counter to the JSIII.
It wasn’t very reliable though; due to it’s size and techniucal problems only a few score actually saw deployment.
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m103heavy.html
http://www.patton-mania.com/M_103/m_103.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m103.htm
Thanks for the M103 pics and links Nick.
Very interesting.
Here are some nice line drawings of the M103A1 and M103A2 heavy tanks.
M103A1 (gasoline engine) and M103A2 (Diesel engine version of M103 series)
http://www.patton-mania.com/M_103/M103_the_real_thing/m103_the_real_thing.html
M103A1 (gasoline engine)
Continental AV-1790-5C; 12 cylinder, 4 cycle, 90° vee gasoline
http://www.patton-mania.com/M_103/M103_the_real_thing/103a1_1.jpg
http://www.patton-mania.com/M_103/M103_the_real_thing/103a1_2.jpg
M103A2 (Diesel engine version of M103 series)
Continental AVDS-1790-2A; 12 cylinder, supercharged diesel
http://www.patton-mania.com/M_103/M103_the_real_thing/103a2_1.jpg
http://www.patton-mania.com/M_103/M103_the_real_thing/103a2_2.jpg
More line drawings of US heavies:
Heavy Tanks (Russian Website)
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/Heavy/
M-6 (4-view drawing)
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/Heavy/M6.gif
T-28 (4-view drawing)
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/Heavy/T28_1.gif
T-29 (4-view drawing)
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/Heavy/T29.gif
M-103A2 (4-view drawing)
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/Heavy/M103A2.gif
Very good info…a question, What was the maximum armor thickness in the M103?
I thought I saw 4.5 inches in front, but this could be wrong…
If is that figure is only half inch (12,7mm) more than M-26…:neutral:
M103 (1957)
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m103heavy.html
Combat Weight: 57 metric tons
M103: Armor
Hull Front: 10 to 13cm (4 to 5")
Hull Side: 7.6cm (3")
Hull Top: 2.5cm (1")
Turret Gun shield: 25cm (10")
Turret Front: 18cm (7")
Turret Side: 7.6cm (3")
Turret Top: 3.8cm (1.5")
Engine: Continental AV-1790-5C; 12 cylinder, 4 cycle, 90° vee gasoline
Horsepower: Gross: 810@2800rpm
Max level road speed: 40kph (25 mph)
M103A1 (1959)
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m103heavy.html
Combat Weight: 57 metric tons
M103A1: Armor
Hull Front: 10 to 13cm (4 to 5")
Hull Side: 7.6cm (3")
Hull Top: 2.5cm (1")
Turret Gun shield: 25cm (10")
Turret Front: 18cm (7")
Turret Side: 7.6cm (3")
Turret Top: 3.8cm (1.5")
Engine: Continental AV-1790-5C; 12 cylinder, 4 cycle, 90° vee gasoline
Horsepower: Gross: 810@2800rpm
Max level road speed: 40kph (25 mph)
M103A2 (1964)
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m103heavy.html
Combat Weight: 58.2 metric tons
M103A2: Armor
Hull Front: 10 to 13cm (4 to 5")
Hull Side: 7.6cm (3")
Hull Top: 2.5cm (1")
Turret Gun shield: 25cm (10")
Turret Front: 18cm (7")
Turret Side: 7.6cm (3")
Turret Top: 3.8cm (1.5")
Engine: Continental AVDS-1790-2A; 12 cylinder, supercharged diesel
Horsepower: Gross: 750@2800rpm
Max level road speed: 37kph (23 mph)
M26 Pershing (November 1944)
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m26pershing.html
Combat weight: 41.8 metric tons
M26: Armor
Hull Front: 10cm (4")
Hull Side: 7.6cm (3")
Hull Top: 2.22cm (.875" or 7/8")
Turret Gun shield: 11cm (4.5")
Turret Front: 10cm (4")
Turret Side: 7.6cm (3")
Turret Top: 2.5cm (1")
Engine: Ford GAF; 8 cylinder, 4 cycle, 60º vee gasoline
Horsepower: Net: 450@2600rpm / Gross: 500@2600rpm
Max level road speed: 40kph sustained, 48kph dash (25mph sustained, 30mph dash)
The British Army had a tank that was virtually identical to the M103, and suffered from virtually identical problems with automotive reliability, the name escapes me, but I can look it up. The fact seems to be that the “bang wasn’t worth the buck” in ‘heavy tanks’ insofar that one could purchase several M48AX/M60AX or a Centurion tanks for the price of one of these babies; and as pointed out, the armor protection wasn’t really all that superior to medium MBTs.
Still cool to have had these monsters…
M103A2 (1964)
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m103heavy.htmlCombat Weight: 58.2 metric tons
M103A2: Armor
Hull Front: 10 to 13cm (4 to 5")
Hull Side: 7.6cm (3")
Hull Top: 2.5cm (1")
Thanks for the info George, It wanst that much after all, similar to a JS-2.
Yes, there was not much difference in the hull front armor.
The big difference was in the gun shield and turret front armor.
M103A2 (1964)
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m103heavy.html
Combat Weight: 58.2 metric tons
M103A2: Armor
Hull Front: 10 to 13cm (4 to 5")
Turret Gun shield: 25cm (10")
Turret Front: 18cm (7")
M26 Pershing (November 1944)
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m26pershing.html
Combat weight: 41.8 metric tons
M26: Armor
Hull Front: 10cm (4")
Turret Gun shield: 11cm (4.5")
Turret Front: 10cm (4")
M26 Pershing versus Pzkw V Panther - WWII video footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqH_WEqNK5Y
Pershing tank M26 noise Ford GAA V8 engine - video footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9C8TkU4Urs
George, you are the man!! I’ve been looking for that combat sequence, called “High-noon in Cologne”… Thanks!! From one of the best History Channel programs I’ve ever seen, “Suicide Missions: The Sherman Tank.”
Well, I must confess that I found it from Panzerknacker’s link to an Argentina WWII forum under that M3 Lee/Grant cartoon that he posted on the M4 Sherman thread. He He
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89463&postcount=79
http://mundosgm.com/smf/index.php?topic=712.0
http://mundosgm.com/smf/index.php?topic=712.15
Panther Versus Pershing
http://mundosgm.com/smf/index.php?topic=1332.msg35811#msg35811
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3400216787641857936&q=pershing+panther
You know, I’ve checked YouTube at least twice for the vid. I wish people were a bit more precise with their titles of such historical matter.
But anyways, I haven’t seen it in a while, but the program is excellent and I’ve checked about downloading it, I may have to cave and pay $24 for a one-hour DVD.
Ha! I just checked torrentspy, and they have almost every “Dangerous Missions” video except for that one.
Well, I must confess that I found it from Panzerknacker’s link to an Argentina WWII forum under that M3 Lee/Grant cartoon that he posted on the M4 Sherman thread. He He
He,he, and dont forget to admire that selection of screenshots wich demonstrate the Panthers end. nice work there.
Indeed, it was very nice work. Excellent posts by Bruno.
http://mundosgm.com/smf/index.php?topic=1332.msg35811#msg35811
I was playing COH today and one of the units was a m26 pershing tank can someone tell me about this
oops sry i should be more careful o and if george eller look at this sry