Who you calling Delusional Drake. You picking a fight with me? Look up the stats and tell me how many Israelis died and how many Palestinians died. The only one delusional is your pro-baby killer attitude. If you disagree with my post that’s fine, but I don’t go around name calling your prissy Ass now do I?..and another thing, if your so sure that Hamas is putting weapons in hospitals and schools, then um, what media are you reading this from?, cause last I heard, western media was BANNED from entering Gaza. So are you relying your opinion on the Isralie assumption and Israeli media?..(I believe what your saying is true), but to defend my position i am going on a limb that the media used to prove your assumption is not exactly UN media but rather Israeli media;thus to what extent it is, remains a valid uncertainty. Do you got a picture of all these weapons hiding in all the schools?.Oh yea, right, I shouldn’t question Western Media because they are always right. Oh Ya, All the schools in Gaza are rim filled with Big Atomic bombs and all the Hospitals in Gaza are packed with machine guns. So bomb the hell out of all of them because its a war crime. The hell with the fuckin babies that DIE , because their lives are not worth spit. Just bomb the mother f***'s wherever they may be hiding amunition, regardless if babies die. It takes an idiot to think this is right. You don’t go bombing hospitals and schools, just because there hiding crap. Instead, invade the frigin place and take care of it through a commando invasion. Gaza is like 2 minutes by plane. You telling me, that bombing the babies is the best thing to do because it meane israel is protecting itself?.Give nme a break. I vote for an Invasion and take out the Rebels and strip all the weapons from Hamas, but Don’t kill the Babies
Somethings , i saw in the news . A suiside attack in israel , an air raid in Gaza . A soldier was kidnapped by the palestinians another air raid in Gaza . In each battle , top cassualties for the israelis were 5 man , for the Palestinians 100 man . Realise what is going on . Also israel is not allowed , supplies to be transferd in Gaza . Can you realise that that they can not treat their wounded in Gaza but they transfer them into Egypt . They cant use their own hospitals
YA!, They can’t use their own Hospitals, because Drake say’s their using the Hospitals to stash all their machineguns and rockets and ammo. Why would they use their own hospital. If they used their own hospital, then where would they put all the thousands if not hundreds of thousands of rockets that their supposedly hiding in their hospitals!
God!
I am actually surprised why Israel has not yet bombed the daycare centres or the children orphanages cause I heard that the centrifugal cores used to enrich Uranium for atomic bombs is hiding in there. I heard it on the Israeli news, so it must be true!
None of the above makes Hamas right, or Israel wrong. There are always better ways to do things, but still it changes nothing. This is degenerating into nothing but emotional ranting, which you are welcome to engage in, but you will find few interested in playing the blame it all on Israel game.Hermey, you’re now on ignore.
Damn herman this is hard man . But tankgeezer herman’s right . A coin has always to sides . Dont you see it only from one side
Everybody (UNFORTUNATELY) hates Muslims so nobody cares if Gaza people die. Even the Israeli’s would rather bomb the shit out of Gaza then send in ground troops to fix the problem. Sending in Ground troops would mean losing Israeli lives and it is better to kill Hamas, even at the expense of killing children, then losing one single Israeli life. That my friend, is what WAR is all about. Everybody symphonises with Israel because they “Have the right to protect themselves”. BUT, Israel stole the land from the Palestinians in the first place! THE U.N. did a grave injustice in creating the state of Israel. The U.N. should have known it would never work.
I firmly support the state of Israel, but just not where it is situated.
And another thing, according to this poll, the only 2 people who think Israel was responsible for the chain of events to occur is me and RS. Well, RS is the smartest member on this forum and if he thinks that way then he must have good reasons, unlike my so called out of the air comments.
Yeah nice way to protect yourself and defending it . Killing women and children .
Is there any Hamas member killed ??? Or the Palestinians cant say the truth ???
Don’t you get it!..All them women and children who are dead with blood on their bombed skulls are HAMAS. They are the ones who lit the rockets into Israel. They are the Hamas so thats why Israel killed them.
Errr… not exactly. The whole area (Israel, Palestine, Jordan, the lot) was under British League of Nations mandate after being captured from the Ottoman Empire during WW1. The population of the area was mixed Jewish, Christian and Muslim at the time it was captured - with the majority of subsequent immigration being Jewish. If anything, Israel was carved out of either Ottoman (which was Turkish and hence NOT Arab) or British territory.
If Israel manages to wipe out Hamas, even more radical group will emerge.
If Israel manages to destroy 100% of the tunnels and weapon labs, all those arabs who lose friends/relatives in the process will support Hamas in the future, so Hamas will have even more tunnels and weapons labs in the future. Israel wins in short term, but loses in the long run.
If even one Hamas member / tunnel / weapon lab is alive/exists after the bombing, Hamas will declare it as a “victory”. Israel loses.
I cannot see how Israel can win in the long run by ground attacks or bombings. They should do something to win over the arab population, or to turn them against Hamas. For example, if Israel would cut down supplies (or close borner points for a day) to area every time rockets fell in Israel, that should create some anti-Hamas feelings among the population (most of the population just want to live their lives and thrive, and that their family is safe) - that way only militarily aggressive participant would be Hamas.
I don’t think humans as a group actually posess all the positive characteristics they usually like to attribute to themselves, like intelligence, wisdom, peacefullness, empathy etc. Consequently I think there will be no solution to the conflict which would actually finish it, with the exception of a final one. Otherwise this will go on forever and ever.
This is actually my prediction for the future, this will go on for decades like it already did and every side will blame the other one.
@Herman: The whole shebang didn’t start yesterday and contrary to you I don’t obtain my information from Pallywood only, but try to tap into all possible sources to make myself a picture of a situation.
Don’t kill the babies, what a noble ideal, what a useless phrase in a warzone. Ground troops are your solution? Heck, they’re accidentally shooting at themselves 30% of the time, what makes you think they wouldn’t accidentally hit civilians, like a mother with her child?
From my experience of Arabs who have long left the Middle East, and others like me who aren’t even Arabs and who frankly are pretty much past caring which of the two rabid dogs is in the right, I doubt that Israel could do anyting to erase the past 60 plus years of discrimination against; oppression of; expulsion of; dispossession of; and hostility towards Arabs in Jewish territories.
Sooner or later there is going to be a cataclysm in the Middle East, and quite possibly much of the rest of the world as a consequence, as a result of Zionist aggrandisement and intransigence in and around Israel.
I’m largely past caring about it because it is insoluble because nobody involved wants to solve it except upon terms wholly unacceptable to the the other side.
Alas, the US continues to support Israel and so does my country, which drags us into something that has nothing to do with us and is not worth shedding one drop of Australian blood over.
Except, perhaps, the blood of thousands of Australian Jews who have left Australia on Australian passports to go to live in Israel to reclaim their birthright land after an interval of a thousand or two years since their ancestors left.
I have a much stronger claim to land in Ireland within the past couple of hundred years. I wonder how much international support, particularly from the US, I’d get for grabbing a bit of land there, starting with blowing up the main hotel in Dublin and running a terrorist campaign for another few years until I get what I want?
Bah! I’m sick of the lot of them.
Quite a bit probably - ever hear of NORAID?
pdf what noraid means ???
Money collected in the United States (principally in the North-East, among the “Irish” community) on behalf of the IRA. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAID .
There is a fair bit else along those lines going on - granting of political asylum to escaped murderers springs to mind as well.
The burly bartender at a neighborhood saloon in the Queens section of New York City offers a shot of John Jameson Irish whisky to a Gaelic-looking stranger. As the visitor tosses it down, the bartender mutters a curse about “the bloody Brits”—and carefully observes the drinker’s reaction. At the slightest sign of agreement, he moves in. Bluntly, and loudly enough so his other Irish-American patrons can hear, he asks the stranger for a contribution to the terrorist Provisional wing of the Irish Republican Army.
Few customers can resist the pressure: most contribute. Each week the bartender collects about $100, which he turns over to unnamed friends who deliver it “where it will do the most good.” The bartender, who has never even seen Ireland but whose father was born there, also collects weapons for the Provisional I.R.A. He led a recent visitor to a nearby cellar, where he had hidden half a dozen M-16 rifles and a footlocker full of land mines. The cache was being held for a confederate (“I’m not sure of his name, but I think it’s Casey”), who would smuggle the arms to Northern Ireland.
The bartender is one of countless Irish Americans across the country who, out of a romantic sense of patriotism for the land of their forefathers, gather money and guns for the Proves. Gunrunning is illegal: although the bulk of the arms buying is done in the Middle East, since 1973, 22 Americans have been convicted of purchasing and exporting weapons to Northern Ireland. But fund raising, even for terrorists, is not unlawful. Furthermore, any individual can carry up to $5,000 in cash out of the country without reporting it. When suspicious customs inspectors searched some passengers on a charter flight to Ireland from New York City last March, they found that no one was carrying more than $4,900. According to a British intelligence report, Americans contribute more money (an estimated $145,000 a year) to the Provisional I.R.A. than do people in any other country. The largest single U.S. source of cash, according to the report, is the New York-based Irish Northern Aid Committee (Noraid), which is headed by a former I.R.A. fighter, Michael Flannery, 77, who operates out of a small, cluttered Bronx office.
Two weeks ago, the Justice Department tried to compel Noraid to designate the Provisional wing of the I.R.A. as its “foreign principal.” Noraid refused, and its attorney, former New York City Council President Paul O’Dwyer, insisted, “We won’t be falsely labeled.”
Noraid’s leaders contend that the organization does not supply money or weapons for the Provos gunmen. They insist that the group’s sole purpose is to help support the families of fighters killed or imprisoned by the British. Yet the line is a fine one, as even Flannery concedes: “Our support for their families enables them [the Provos] to make other uses of their money, so in that respect, yes, we’re financing the I.R.A.” Because Noraid has long been registered in the U.S. as an agent for the Irish Northern Aid Committee of Belfast, Flannery makes an accounting to the Justice Department of his organization’s receipts twice a year. He says that Noraid raises about $200,000 annually and that the books he keeps account for every penny.
Because the Justice Department cannot put Noraid out of business, the Government’s primary aim is to discourage contributions from Americans by forcing Flannery to acknowledge that some of the money is used for terrorism in Northern Ireland. Says a federal investigator: “Flannery would be better off standing on a soapbox shouting for money to buy guns and bricks and bombs to blow the Brits out of Northern Ireland. That would be the end of it as far as we are concerned. We would leave him alone.” In fact, while donations might slow if the collectors were that candid, Noraid could not then be sued by the Justice Department for failure to disclose the real purpose of its money.
Ireland’s Prime Minister, Jack Lynch, readily agrees with the Justice Department’s strategy. Says he: “If those who contribute believe that their money goes to support widows and orphans, let me make it clear that it goes to make widows and orphans.” While touring the U.S. last week, Lynch estimated that “something like 2%” of Ireland’s population supports Provo objectives. He pleaded with Irish Americans in Chicago to “desist from giving support to these people.” Said Lynch: “If Americans imagine that they are helping Ireland, they are wrong. They are doing just the opposite.”
But that kind of talk does not at all dissuade the Provisional I.R.A. sympathizers who pass the hat in bars, social clubs and churches in Irish neighborhoods in the U.S. Acknowledges Alice Mulkern, a mother of three who eagerly solicits contributions in New York City: “It’s not for widows and orphans. The British welfare system takes care of them. It’s for the I.R.A.”
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,946419,00.html
The bombardement was steel on , during New Years Eve . Isn’t this too “bad” ???
Also today many foreigners are being evacuated from Gaza because of the fear that IDF will attack !!! I guess you all know that but do you believe that Israel
will attack ???
I was thinking of US government support in my original comment, but if the Yankee Paddies are prepared to help me recover my ancestral Irish titles and lands, wherever they are, they’ll do. 
So, when the war is over, who do you think will benefit from the reconstruction? There is always someone that benefits. Maybe Dick Chenny’s construction firm will be awrded the billion dollar project. Or maybe the Bin Laden Construction company?.Who knows!
Maybe both of them … Who knows ???..???