Operation Rosario. Background and aftermatch.

Other Wars Falklands/Malvinas War
#101

While we’re on the subject of the Argentine cemetry.

Restrictions imposed your president Mr Kirchner’s Government on charter flights continue to limit access to the islands for relatives still grieving 25 years after the conflict. Kirchner’s Government also declined British offers for a joint service there on the anniversary, instead yesterday their former enemies laid wreaths in their memory.

Your own Government’s restrictions seem to be more petty and vindictive towards the families than anything the Islanders have done.

#102

Some years ago I watched a programme on Channel Four about the conflict.
Sldrs on both sides were interviewed and a few of the Argentine sldrs recalled a terrible incident where a white phos gren on the webbing of one of their comrades ignited.
The poor bloke went up in flames, screaming. His oppos looked on in horror, and when one cabo shouted out that the burning man was lighting up their position he was eventually put out of his misery with some sensibly placed 7.62.

I don’t remember if it was so, but perhaps a British rd had hit the gren and set it off.
Going by the above ‘logic’ the Brit cmdr should also be prosecuted for war crimes… :roll:

#103

It’s hard to detonate a grenade, or other similar explosives, with anything but their fuses.

As countless 25 pdr etc doorstops etc have attested for many decades.

Detonation on webbing by the Argentinian soldier is more likely to fall into the substantial category of military accidents.

#104

The point is old son, they don’t.
I found the ‘off’ button long ago.

Some of your posts are very interesting, but when it comes to subjects about Op Corporate and the ownership of the islands you exhibit a very blinkered disposition.

I said to ‘Erwin’ on several occassions that I can understand and indeed applaud his - and your - patriotism, but it must be tempered with an open look at the facts.

No wuckers there.

Would your solution be to have let the man die in agony ?

#105

Moral amazement and indignation are good things, but not all that impressive when comparing a single event of necessary if brutal compassion for a dying man with the litany of brutal horror and death inflicted upon previously healthy people during the Dirty War as a matter of policy by the rulers.

Personally, I’d rather take my chances on the battlefield than as a civilian opposed to the Argentinian government at the time of the Falklands War. At least I’d be armed against the thugs who represented the Argentinian government, which would give me a better chance than all of that government’s victims ever had.

#106

White Phos will explode the moment the phos mixes with air. The fuse in most phos grenades is enough to break the canister and distribute the phos, the rest happens naturarly.

Pierce the skin of a WP and the phos will go up, igniting everything ignitable. Unless the skin is fully open, the explosive will scatter the phos in a slightly smaller and less spectacular way than an actual explosion.

#107

Thanks.

I didn’t know that.

#108

My bold.

Mate, going by the logic, or more accurately the lack of it, in the war crimes thread http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4493&page=4 I’d say you are right on the money.

#109

Bluff Cove Remembered

Serving and retired members of the armed forces together with local people took part in a special remembrance ceremony on the Falkland Islands to mark the 25th anniversary of the bombing of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary ships Sir Galahad and Sir Tristam.

On the 8th of June 1982 British soldiers were about to disembark from the ships in preparation for the final push to Stanley the Islands capital when they were attacked by two Argentinean jets, their bombs causing severe damage and setting fire to both vessels.

The service took place at a memorial on a bleak windswept point above Bluff Cove where the ships were anchored 25 years ago and attended by His Excellency, Governor Alan Huckle, and the Commander of British Forces South Atlantic Islands, Brigadier Nick Davies, along with many other military personnel and civilians who came to pay their respects.

Split into four parts the service took in the different cap-badges whose personnel lost their lives in the incident. First the Welsh Guards’, then Royal Fleet Auxiliary, the Royal Army Medical Corps all had wreaths laid in memory of those who died. Finally the group moved to a 5 Brigade memorial in the settlement of Fitzroy.

Among the conflict’s veterans attending was Simon Weston who’s courageous fight to overcome appalling burns made him a household name which he has used to benefit others by founding a charity ‘Weston Spirit’ to help young people.

Brigadier Davies, who laid wreaths said of the proceedings, “The casualties sustained were horrific and it is through these memorials that our recognition of the sacrifices and sympathy with the lives that were irrevocably changed can be demonstrated. It is vitally important that we remember those that lost their lives in a fitting and sombre fashion.

“Equally, it is testament to the resolve of the nation and the military at the time, as it is now, to continue to fight those that oppose democracy. The determination gleaned from the setback stood the remainder of the Task Force in very good stead as they resumed the push on Stanley.”

Lieutenant Colonel Guy Levene, currently serving in the Falklands, also laid a wreath at the service. “I’m privileged to be able to demonstrate my respect and recognition for what these very brave men achieved in these islands. The incident at Bluff Cove was horrendous for those involved and we must remember also remember their continued suffering even today.”

Simon Weston

http://www.army.mod.uk/news/army_news_current_stories/bluff_cove_remembere.htm

#110

Democracy in the Malvinas ?

So extinguished as the famous “malvinesis fox” the original mammalian unique of the islands, a special report shows to us that in the Malvinas democracy does nor exist, they exist negotiated and you tighten, typical of an imperial colony…

A work of journalist Jorga Lanata from the islands. Three videos of short duration, speak to us of as it is punished to those who are not in favor of a government, whom single it has by objective to defend the interests of few industralists.

“it is written in his laws that somebody that it criticizes the government, can lose his work without explanation”, says MIKE BINGHAM, that the English government worked for, until he decided to right publish a report on the extinction of the pinguins as a result of the fishing depredation, where soon it would be expelled from the islands, without reason some or to defense.

Of as they prevented an islander to continue leaving lives in the islands, by to have published a report on the extinction of the pinguins, by the indiscriminate fishing. About the news pretending that wich were invented that in the Malvinas there were thousands of million petroleum barrels, to obtain millionaires gains.

Original link.

http://www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/287.htm

#111

Highly reliable source that :roll:

Even if it is true, what is your point? Please elucidate your answer with reference to mass graves and free parachuting lessons (parachutes not provided) over the South Atlantic so graciously provided by the Junta for its critics.

#112

As in most things, listen to one side and you only get half the story. Its a 5 year old story for a start:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,259566,00.html

Oh and someone who claims that he was proud of the military junta’s “achievements” taking the moral high ground?

#113

Quick! On the basis of an unsubstantiated Grauniad story we should force the islanders to give up the British colonial administration they have repeatedly voted for and replace it with an Argentine one which they have repeatedly voted against.

Then the islands will be liberated and have true democracy, just like they did for several months in 1982!

#114

So, if Argentina had held the Falklands, are we meant to assume that it wouldn’t have exploited the same resources and killed the penguins in the same way that Bingham alleges?

Does this sudden concern for penguins suggest that Argentina needs to make another excursion into the Falklands to save the allegedly few remaining penguins?

If so, how will they be treated, given that they’ve been enemy penguins for generations? :smiley:

#115

At least the penguins would be allowed ‘one-penguin, one-vote!’

#116

But which Penguin will get this one vote?

#117

The ones that don’t “disappear.”

#118

Even if it is true, what is your point?

I was not aware that the bennies werent not allowed to elect his own representatives, that is my point. I was refering to the people,
At list we can insult our goverment without any fear of retribution ( well I mean if your are not the vice-president)

By the way, two last penguins images deleted, this is not a humour section, keep the topic in minimum level please.

As in most things, listen to one side and you only get half the story. Its a 5 year old story for a start

I did not put any link of a british newspaper but to an argentine site so…:rolleyes:

#119

Did you read the Guardian article, it shows a far more balanced view of the story. At least far more balanced than your Argentine one.

And under the 1985 constitution they do have a democratic Government.

#120

Thanks for the info…you mean the war bring democracy to the islands?

Amazing. That was a face of Galtieri that I didnt know about it.