Panzer projects & prototypes.

as the panther chassis being fairly reliable and the couple of the Panzer IV being not that heavy as the panteher one so it could even reach a higher speed an would prform better than a normal Panther in cros-country

Probably, but the 75 mm gun would have some trouble facing the russians heavies.

But definately a good looking tank, and probably more fast than the Panther.

Two more images of the Porsche Typ 100 panzer know also as “VK 30.01 Leopard” in test grounds.

Munitionspanzer with MK-103.

A very rare improvisated “flakpanzer” , a munitionspanzer with a 30mm Rheinmetall MK 103 automatic gun.

Wow, correct me if im wrong but if i remember right the Rheinmetall MK 103 had a rate of fire of 550 or 560 rpm.

Actually it had a rate of 360 to 420 rounds per minute.

http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4127&page=5

Profiles of the Leopard medium tank armed with the Krupp 8,8 cm Kwk 36 turret. Another proposed armament was the 75mm L/48 and a 105 L/34

Top view.

Durchbruchwagen

One of the most unknown projekts of the german army were the early attemps to create a heavy tank ( heavy for the mid 1930s standar that is)

In late January of 1937, Waffenamt ordered Henschel und Sohn of Kassel to design and produce prototype of heavy 30-ton class tank. Designated as Durchbruchwagen (Breakthrough Tank), it was to be Germany’s first heavy tank intended to breakthrough enemy defense lines.

Prototype of DW I was produced by Henschel and was protected by 50mm thick armor. The running gear consisted of five road-wheels supported by torsion bars.and three return rollers. Waffenamt put Krupp in charge of the production of the turret and its armament. Krupp decided to produce the turret similar to that of Panzer IV and armed with the same 75mm KwK 37 L/24 gun. Only one test hull was produced in late 1937, but its turret was never manufactured. At the time of the development of DW I, Waffenamt ordered Henschel to design and produce prototype of never heavy 30-ton class tank.

Designated as DW II, it was an improved and modified version of previous DW I. Both, DW I (30000kg) and DW II (33000kg) were powered by Maybach HL 120 engine (280hp) allowing it to travel at the top speed of 35km/h. As well as DW I, only one prototype was built in 1938 and once again its turret was never manufactured. It was also planned to use PzKpfw IV Ausf C turret on DW II. In late 1938, DW project was cancelled and on September 9 of 1938, VK3001(H) project started. Both DW I and DW II were extensively tested until 1941 and provided Henschel with valuable experience used in the development of VK3001(H) tank and other future designs.

Durbruchwagen (with Panzer IV ausf C. turret)

E-series profiles.

More images of the E-series panzers. (for more info look at the page 1 to 3 in this topic)

E-50 replacement for the Panther.

E-100, alternative prototype for a design to deal with the ultra heavy panzer specifications of the maus.

Henschel VK 30.01.

On September 9 of 1938, Henschel received the permission to continue their work on new medium tank in continuation with DW development. Work on VK3001(H), which was further development of DW II, started. Two similar designs were created, lighter (32 tons) VK3001(H) and later on heavier (40 tons) VK3601(H). Both resembled Panzerkampfwagen IV in their hull design but their running gear was of a new design that consisted of overlapping road wheels. Medium VK3001(H) tank and heavy VK3601(H) tank had many common parts what would make their production and service much more easier.

Only four VK3001(H) prototypes were produced, two in March of 1941 and other two in October of 1941. All were completed in 1942 by Henschel. In the early 1942, one prototype VK3601(H) was build along with 5 prototype chassis. Originally, it was intended to mount VK3001(H) with a turret armed 75mm L/24 or 105mm L/28 gunm but none of the prototypes were actually fitted with turrets. VK3601(H) was to be armed with 75mm KwK 42 L/70 (Gerat 725), 88mm KwK 36 L/56 (mounted in VK4501(P) turret) or 105mm L/20 or L/28 gun, but just as VK3001(H), it was never armed with any weapons.

VK 30.01 turret in defensive emplacement.

www.achtungpanzer.com

DW to Tiger I, Jentz/Doyle.

Aditional images of german protos.

“Sturer Emil” 128 mm panzerjager.

“Dickermax” 105 mm self propelled gun.

Again some sort of E-79 ^^

Stu.Kan.auf Pz.Kpfw.38(t)

Only two of these odd little vehicles ever got up and running. It was not a successful design and never went into production.

Source: http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/stukanaufpzkpfw38taj_1.html

I Going to check but i believe this this is a modellers fake. :slight_smile:

Some like this falsificated picture of a rammtiger.

ramtiger_fake_806.jpg

The 128 mm gun on the Sturer Emil scares me :shock:

If you wasa russian tanker in 1941 and sawthis vehicle probably that make you even more scared :rolleyes:

Most of the tanks of that time had only 40 or 50, maybe 75mm guns in the best ones.

Sturer Emil in Kubinka Museum.

Herr Major,
I have just registered on this site and want to thank you for the astounding amount of information you have provided on German Panzer projects. While many could be interpreted as perhaps ludicrous, I find them fascinating and have several of them (Maus, E100, Flak Panther Coelion) in 1/285 scale. I have often urged the model makers to produce the E75 and E-50, the US T-18, and British Tortoise super heavy tanks.
If all of these tanks had been in production, no bridges in Europe would have been intact and no one could move.
Schwerpunkt

Thanks for your post Schwerpunkt.

The brigde issues are not definately an impediment when there was people willing to deploy heavy Panzers, just remeber that until 1940 the germans have an 30 tons top limit for their tank design…and that were quickly lifted when they faced improved heavy armour. Noted one thing, with the exception of some railway bridges there was almost no brigde in the 1930s that could withstand the 47 tons weight of the KV-1 or KV-2 in the entire Soviet Union, however that does not cause stopped its development/production.

In all I am pretty much convinced that the bridge question even a recurrent matter is completely overrated.

I agree with you about the issue of bridges being over rated. Of course, the snorkel Maus might have been problematic especially with power being fed by a Maus on the ground.
While Maus possessed much better protection, the E-100 might have been a better way to go because she was over three times as fast and carried just as large an armament. Now, to the heart of my question. Many point out that the extremely large Maus and E-100 designs (and the even larger P1000 and P1500) were intended to be mobile pill boxes along the West Wall, offering additional resistance where needed.
Of course, they would have been very vulnerable to Allied air power but by moving at night into prepared positions, I think they could have been most useful. They would have been absolutely useless at Calais, however (LOL).
It is also my understanding the a twin 8.8cm flak version of the Maus/E-100 was under consideration and that the flak Panther platoons would each have one vehicle without turret but with a fire control director.
As perhaps you can tell, I am fascinated with these weapons (as well as the German aircraft designs). There are tremendous arguments over on the German A/C pages about how useful or effective these designs were. Again, I must side with German technology. Although much too late to affect the outcome of the war, their studies and designs were far in advance of those of the Allies. Schwerpunkt:)

Panzerknacker,
I am sure this moving house with guns was a Kriegsmarine effort. I have a color shot of it as a model which I obtained several years ago. It seems you keep coming up with more unusual German efforts for defensive success against overwhelming odds on the ground (and in the air). Sea efforts were not as spectacular although the Type XXI sub and the V2 towed launch vehicle could have done some real damage.
Thanks for all of your efforts.
Schwerepunkt

I am afraid I cannot locate the file in which my photo is located. I will keep trying to find it. The K5 was a vicious beast and was quite accurate. The Germans did an outstanding job of keeping her hidden.
Keep up the great work.
Bob/Schwerpunkt

This, too would have been a formidable SP weapon for the Heere in the last stages of the war. The best benefit of the “Grille” series for E25 though E50, E75 and E100 would have been uniformity of parts, hull design, suspension and the like. There were several Flak 88 designs for the Grille series, one with a shield and sides and rear protection which dropped to the side to provide more room for the crew.
These weapons, while impractical at the time, are still fascinating. I hope there are as many of these projects as the Germans had super aircraft because we would then have many to discover.
Thank you for all of your research.
Schwerepunk