PPSH

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#26

Although the Ross Mk3 can be re-assembled wrong, you have to be a total idiot to do it.

The big problem with the Ross is that it has a straight-pull bolt, where the sleeve and the bolt head are connected via intermeshing helical grooves. When dirt gets into these grooves, the bolt becomes VERY difficult to operate, and after a while requires to be beaten open with a lump of wood or a boot. Look at the animation in Praetorian’s signature - that’s a Ross being fired & then beaten open.

The Ross was also a design born of the “Bisley” school of thought that an individual infatryman should be able to engage a point target (i.e. an enemy infantaryman) at 1000 yards. Thus, there are many features on the rifle that are more suited to target shooting (Ross was a long-range competition shooter, IIRC): the barrel is too long, the rifle is too heavy, and the sights are overly complicated with the battle sight set at to long a range. It is, indeed, extremely accurate. There are a few other peculiarities with the rifle as well: the charger guide is offset, so the clip is positioned at an angle, and is slightly tricky to push the rounds out of. The magazine is also a single-stack sheet metal affair which protrudes from the bottom of the stock and can get damaged.

The straight-pull action is extremely fast when it’s working, but when it jams, the rifle’s useless. Once this was discovered, the Canadians were re-armed with the SMLE as quickly as possible.

#27

This is wrong. I´ve got a German spec deactivated PPsH 41 in my safe (it is still stripable and cockable). There is a sliding lever inside the trigger guard, just in front of the trigger (you can see it in the drawing on top of this thread). This lever controls automatic or single round fire.

Jan

#28

Yes but Russians would somethimes throw away their PPsh for the more accurate MP40 SMG.
I’m guessing that the choice of the SMG is simply out of taste.

but yes, PPsh seems to be quite an efficient SMG while being quite cheap to build.

#29

in medal of honour european assault, in the russian campaign, the ppsh was a most superb weapon… even if i went a little nuts screaming at the nazis as i gunned them down…I’m not crazy by the way… :lol:

#30

Yeah right can you pck me up kalashnikov and an RPG 7. What a down to earth and ralistic plan. Im sure it will happen

#31

T34’s quoting doesn’t work for me - am I the only one having this problem? Maybe putting spaces between the quote/unquote commands and the words either side might help.

#32

Great topic and pics for a very intresting weapon-thanks!

#33

The Pah-Pah-Pah-sha was the best SMG during World War II… Well says every book I’ve read about weapontry.

#34

I dont think so … :wink:

#35

I dont think so … :wink:[/quote]

You don’t know which books he’s read Clauss. :slight_smile:

#36

I dont think so … :wink:[/quote]

You don’t know which books he’s read Clauss. :)[/quote]

Maybe :smiley: ,hmmmm which book said then the best ww2 smg is ppsh ,tell me a name maybe some soviets book. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

#37

Jane’s: “[The PPS-43 is] probably the best of the three wartime Soviet SMGs”

Smith & Smith SAOTW makes no comment.

#38

In the ww2 game i play (Forgotten Hope/mod for BF1942)
we call the ppsh and the pps 43 “SPRAY AND PRAY” weapons.
Because they fire so fast and have such a huge magazine :lol:

#39

It was, the PPSh was the best SMG, even American soliders who fired it when they met the Soviets around the Eastern-Western border of conquered Europe said the Thompson failed in comparrison. -History Channel, Military Channel, and books. Tell me one that was better? The gun was like an AK-47 today, easy to clean, barley ever jammed, great accuracy (at right range), tough ass weapon.

#40

The PPS-43 was better.

Easier to clean
Lighter
Lower rate of fire
More compact
More reliable.
Cheaper to produce.
Stick magazine better than the drum.

The only complaint I have about the PPS-43 is that there is no proper lock on the butt of the shoulder stock.

#41

I mean like… all the PP models.

#42

PP is the Russian equlivent to MP, it basically means that this weapon is a sub-machinegun. It does not show that it is a model from a series of weapons (like a model A vs Model T ford).

The PPSh-41 and the PPS-43 are not from the same designer neither is the PPD-34, PPD-38 and PPD-40 which were all designed by Degtyarev.

The Degtyarev guns were not in the same class as the later two.

#43

Only problem with M-16 is it is outdated, jams, and needs to be cleaned ever so often.

#44

I had the opportunity to fire a ppsh last year ,What a great maching gun very little kick but the powder from the rounds was real nasty smelling LOL
Here is a photo of that great day ,If you look at the photo I also has my SVT 40 with us ,second rifle in from the right

#45

Only problem with M-16 is it is outdated, jams, and needs to be cleaned ever so often.[/quote]

:roll:
Oh dear.