And what’s wrong with it ? I find it quite nice to have it .If someone wants for example Wehrmacht it’s up to the administrator to give him that possibility , for me Waffen SS is ok , of course if some of the members here don’t have paranoya of Heinrich Himler goin’ out of the grave together with Hitler 
So i don’t see a reason why we shouldn’t have SS ranks as possibility .
It’s not representative.
I find it quite nice to have it.
Me too, but I’d prefer Heer/Luftwaffe/Kriegsmarine insignia.
If someone wants for example Wehrmacht it’s up to the administrator to give him that possibility.
I’m sure with the links provided by pdf27 the admin will do so.
So i don’t see a reason why we shouldn’t have SS ranks as possibility.
I see a lot of reasons why people might have problems with that.
I see a lot of reasons why people might have problems with that.
I think the people in Germany have the most problem with it, because their government is repressive when it comes to the freedom of speech and literary expression, which we in Canada and America and England don’t have a problem with. I mean, you can’t even publish Mein Kampf (piece of crap that it is) in Germany, so God Forbid, a SS rank might invoke a riot on this forum. In Austria I read that it is a crime to even have the book in your possession and in Netherlands it is a crime to sell it. So, I guess, with this type of main stream thinking we should not even talk about Nazi’s or the War (unless it involves American Vicory’s or battles that were victorious for the Australians or English. Any talk of German success might mean were all Nazi’s!..So any talk about SS ranks or even suggesting them is taboo. I believe the freedom of expression and discussion should not be hindered by beliefs that we are forced to succumb to. The SS rank was a symbol of the soldier who wore it and it is a part of our history, regardless if we hate it or love it. We should not be afraid of it, and I think it is rather a cool rank. That is my opinion and I am not a radical. Peace Out!
-Don’t forget that this insignia was not only worn by soldiers but also by homefront goons of the Allgemeine SS (General SS) and even concentration camp guard personnel.
-We had this before, it’s not only a matter of ethics but also of delinquency. Thank God, this is a North America-based forum, but e.g. you display these SS runes in your signature on a German forum and you might get some mail or even a house call. Believe me, I know what I’m talking about and I know how easy it is to get labelled (or even prosecuted) with certain things in Germany…
- “Mein Kampf” is not entirely forbidden in Germany, a narrated version is available. However, I never felt the need to read it so I wouldn’t know about the included comments. After all it’s nothing but a copyright issue since the state of Bavaria owns the rights of “Mein Kampf” until 2015. By then I guess the market will be flooded with new releases.
It’s my understanding that the prominant Jewish Lobbyists WANT Mein Kampf to be published in Germany and it is the German government that does not. I don’t understand this, but I read about it on many websites.Although unrelated to ranks I get your point, so I am removing my SS signature as I don’t want my house burned down from Germans who hate the SS, and might find out where I live, break into my house, find my 2 copies of Mein Kampf, find my photo of my mom’s cousin who was in the SS (True story), and break all my Heintje Records!! (It is the later, I am most concerned about).
Don’t worry, you’re beyond their jurisdiction.
But maybe it’s better that way since you committed an unauthorized assumption of authority by decorating yourself with a Major’s insignia.
Uh-oh.If you haven’t earned a rank in either real life or on the forum, please don’t use images of it. You’ve seen FTG’s sig, right? We can always do what is in his sig to your sig
That is legitimate. However, we do get a (small) number of genuine neo-Nazis on the forum. They are usually invited to explain their position in person to the (rather larger) number of genuine active service and retired US, British and Commonwealth soldiers on the forum, and given the boot shortly afterwards.
The SS were involved on occasion in such crimes as to make Genghis Khan look like an amateur, and accordingly we pay special attention to those wishing to be associated with them.
Yes they were but not the whole SS with all of the soldiers , generals and so on . Can you say Sepp Dietrich killed by himself someone with his pistol ? Yes there were people who made crimes and they were in Einsatzgruppen ( sorry i don’t know to write it right ) and also small amount of fanatical members in the ordinary Waffen SS . Speaking for everyone in SS to be part of crime means that i can say that NKVD as whole is crime ( but we don’t talk about them aren’t we because USSR are part of the allies so case closed lack of evidence )
I find it shamless for Germany as proud country to continue to hunt whitchers just because they expressed their view - that’s not democracy it’s called pornography .
So regardless of anyone who like or hate or think they were the devil himself i would continue to show the SS rank for one main reason - to stop the hysteria about SS because there were also allied major crimes for which we don’t talk at all guess why .
Btw if anyone doesn’t know in Wehrmacht there were many Gestapo members also SS - with one goal to watch the performance of the ordinary soldier and what he talks about the reich , Wehrmacht soldiers had taken part in mass killings too so does this make all of it ( every single one soldier , general staff and so on ) criminals ?
If today war broke out and i go to the front and someone from the army kill civilian does this make me criminal or does this make him in personal criminal ?
P.S Herman don’t remove anything express yourself and be free
Irrelevant - he bore command responsibility for the Malmedy Massacre, and was convicted as such. That’s what gave him his life sentence from Nuremberg. Additionally, he served a short period in jail postwar relating to the murder of six SA men in 1934. It may very well be that he was the trigger-man, but I can’t find any court records to examine.
Utter Rubbish. Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler, for instance, was involved in the murder of 80 British PoWs in 1940. They went on to behave extremely badly in in Russia, on one occasion (at Taganrog) massacring 4,000 Soviet PoWs - but I should point out that mistreatment and murder of PoWs was common behaviour for this division (and indeed much of the German Army) on the Eastern Front at this time. Later, the same division would go on to murder US PoWs after the Battle of the Bulge. These aren’t the misdeeds of individuals (which would have been punished severely by the chain of command) but part of a culture which encouraged such behaviour towards enemies. Finally, if you still think the Einsatzgruppen were so very different from the Waffen SS, read up on the 36th Waffen Grenadier division. Belarus was depopulated by roughly a third during WW2 due to the activities of units such as this.
Right, you’re either a complete moron or a lying neo-Nazi. Which is it? Rising Sun* posts such stuff all the time (including about crimes committed by the Western allies which were hushed up during the war), and nobody objects.
The issue was debated at some length at Nuremberg, and the SS was held to be a criminal organisation while the Wehrmacht was not. There are several nuances to this however - for instance the Commisar Order was very spottily carried out by the Wehrmacht, although some units did with enthusiasm. So there is a case to be made that all members of some units were criminals.
That doesn’t make sense. However, I should point out that several US and UK troops have been arrested, tried and convicted by both Military and Civil courts for war crimes of various sorts committed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Nuremberg is a farce law process and you deeply know it Thanks for calling me moron and neo-nazi if i have to be such to show the complete truth yes i will be neo-nazi and moron thanks a lot .And no one objected by the things that guy or girl showed about allied crimes because there WERE ALLIED CRIMES as well as there were AXIS crimes . and Yes LSAH was involved as well as Dietrich as commander but that doesn’t mean that the whole LSAH was such because i am sure there were soldiers who didn’t pull the trigger , what i mean to say that in law there is also a personal responsibility . So before to say some organisation is part as whole of crime you have to be sure that EVERYBODY from the first to the last is such . In police there are good cops and bad ones that doesn’t make the whole police corrupt or ?
Einsatzgruppen was part of SS too but not part of any division whatever they were the hitmans behind the front lines doing the dirty job and when there were not enough man there was order for more volunteers to do the job and when there weren’t simply a command was given ( in the last one responsible is the commander not me if i am a soldier , in the others responsible are the volunteers as well the commander excluding anyone who didn’t take part in it )
Also we are talking about WW2 not about war in Afganistan in WW2 there were NO courts for ALLIES and not even one was put in jail for any doing (Meaning all they done on the eastern and western front was RIGHT and on code of war - which is a LIE in the Eastern Front expecially ) and also say something about NKVD our "allies " don’t say it’s rubbish and pointless because in that way you don’t say the whole truth . Also units like Hohenstaufen division didn’t done any war crimes is because they are part of SS make them criminals and if in what ?
While there were some highly implausible charges laid at Nuremberg (“being prepared to wage aggressive war” being laid as a charge against a General springs to mind - umm, yeah, all generals do that), those sentenced to significant punishment (and particularly those executed afterwards) had an ocean of blood on their hands. Are you trying to suggest, for instance, that Goering was actually innocent?
Actually I called you a moron OR a neo-Nazi. You made the claim that discussion of Allied war crimes was not permitted on this forum, when in fact one of the moderators (Rising Sun*) has recently been posting just about everything he can find on the subject. Therefore you are either too stupid to use the forum search function, or are willing to lie to support a political agenda.
Uh, yeah. Sorry, is there a point you’re trying to make here?
Interesting shift of emphasis here - from the Waffen SS being clean as a whole with a small handful of bad individuals to them generally being bad from the top down but you can’t convict a unit if every single one wasn’t guilty.
Uh huh. So if the Mafia brought in Auntie Giovanna to make them tea and cakes on a Tuesday night, and she’s a lovely old lady who never did anything wrong, then suddenly they aren’t a criminal organisation? Pull the other one. You define an organisation as criminal or not by it’s actions, intentions and behaviour. On that basis the Waffen SS as a whole was a criminal organisation.
If the police make serious attempts to root out and punish bad members, then they are not corrupt. If they promote them or demand their share of the kickbacks, they are.
Somewhere between misleading and complete bollocks. There is in fact an extant order from Barbarossa (from a Heer unit I believe) that troops were no longer to assist the Einsatzgruppen in their spare time as it was reducing their operational efficiency.
None at the end of the war, no. None were needed - the western Allies punished their own miscreants severely during the war. The US alone executed 11 servicemen for the rape or murder of UK citizens over the last 18 months of the war, and a cursory look at the records shows that they appear to have behaved very similarly in France, Italy and New Guinea (I can’t find postwar records for Germany). Furthermore, with the exception of area bombing (which is a very arguable minor infringement of the 1907 Hague convention regarding protected places in a town under bombardment) I am not aware of any allegations of significant war crimes by any western allied power. The Soviets are something of a different case, but you will note that I do not support NKVD shoulder badges for this forum either.
you understand me wrong i don’t say that those who were at the nuremberg trial were inoccent ( hell no Goering ) but the whole process was not complete and on the trial many nazis got away ( others even didn’t go to the trial because they left for Argentina or countries like that )
Second when you judge some regime like the nazis you have to judge and your allies , so thanks a lot that you don’t support the NKVD shoulder or the red star the symbol of comunism . Allies had to be punnished for example for the bombing of Dresden at least - something that didn’t happen because from what i read they put their punishmet for the bombardment of England - is that how we put punishments ? I think Goering can say then that he put punishment because in 1918 germany lost the war and every criminal will make a excuse for himself .
Third stop to abuse me please as you see i talk in normal tone and agree to normal evidence that you put on the table , it don’t matter if you call me stupid OR neo-nazi OR moron ( i think such behavior is poor and ugly ) .By your reaction i see that anyone who try to discuss the matter of Allied crimes if there were and why there wasn’t courts for them you start to say such things about his personality . To make things clear i don’t support neither Nazism , communism or any other regime from the past or nowdays present, neither i support the neo-nazis with their stupid hooligan behavior . I only support the veterans of either Waffen SS or Wehrmacht , Afrika Korps and etc. who DIDN’T made any crimes and were ordinary soldiers or generals that’s it . To make them to look like devils i think it’s not fair because there were crimes also made by the allies and neither the axis nor the allies are saints .
Your view that discussion of Allied war crimes is not permitted or automatically brings personal criticism on this forum is unfounded.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1106147&pp=25
The most important difference between Allied war crimes and German and Japanese ones is that the two Axis powers engaged, as conscious instruments of national policy, in genocide, wholesale slaughter, and appallingly brutal imprisonment and slave labour of both military personnel and civilians based purely on prejudice towards and hatred of racial, ethnic, national and religious groups, as well as other groups identified by intellectual or physical disability or sexual orientation. The non-Soviet Allies didn’t.
Umm… I made no mention of the Red Star, specifically because to many Russians of the time it was a National rather than a Political symbol (no matter what the CPSU may have thought).
Aerial bombing is a very confusing legal issue. So far as I can tell, the only international treaty dealing with it prior to 1945 is the Hague convention of 1907, which contains the following passage on bombarding towns:
Therefore, by the laws of the time it was legitimate to bombard towns defended on the ground in an attempt to compel their surrender, and there was no requirement to warn the enemy immediately beforehand if doing so would put your own forces at risk. The only real legal argument is whether the RAF did enough to spare hospitals, churches, art galleries, etc. - and I think there is a strong defence that the technology of the time simply did not allow them to do any more.
No treaties, but that isn’t the same as an absence of international opinion about aerial bombing.
The Wright brothers didn’t get off the ground until 1903, so aerial bombing wasn’t in the minds of the parties to the 1907 Convention.
After WWI showed that aerial bombing was destructive, draft rules were proposed but not adopted http://www.dannen.com/decision/int-law.html#C
After the well publicised horrors of bombing civilians in Abyssinia (1935) and Guernica (April 1937) we find the League of Nations trying to deal with the issue in its unanimous resolution of September 1938 “Protection of Civilian Populations Against Bombing From the Air in Case of War” http://www.dannen.com/decision/int-law.html#D
And, ironically, on the eve of WWII we find Roosevelt imploring the world not to engage in exactly what he was going to approve a few years later.
The President of the United States to the Governments of France, Germany, Italy, Poland and His Britannic Majesty, September 1, 1939
The ruthless bombing from the air of civilians in unfortified centers of population during the course of the hostilities which have raged in various quarters of the earth during the past few years, which has resulted in the maiming and in the death of thousands of defenseless men, women, and children, has sickened the hearts of every civilized man and woman, and has profoundly shocked the conscience of humanity.
If resort is had to this form of inhuman barbarism during the period of the tragic conflagration with which the world is now confronted, hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings who have no responsibility for, and who are not even remotely participating in, the hostilities which have now broken out, will lose their lives. I am therefore addressing this urgent appeal to every government which may be engaged in hostilities publicly to affirm its determination that its armed forces shall in no event, and under no circumstances, undertake the bombardment from the air of civilian populations or of unfortified cities, upon the understanding that these same rules of warfare will be scrupulously observed by all of their opponents. I request an immediate reply.
http://www.dannen.com/decision/int-law.html#E
Getting back to War crimes, I was watching this black and white film about Wernher von Braun and it was amazing what this guy accomplished. I did not know that the Americans wanted to prosecute him for War Crimes and Hang him, then changed their tone when they realized what he could do for the American military missile program. Thank god the Americans did not go through with War crime charges on him. I think he was truely a genius!..(although his V2 rockets did kill women and children in England)…(strange how I feel this way but inventions should not be the crux of the outcome)…
The V-weapons IIRC killed more slave labourers in making them than Londoners in landing on them, and von Braun was in that up to his neck. He was very, very lucky to get away with it postwar.
I was reading up on Operation Matchbox and i was shocked to learn that even Australia was bidding for the im[portation of NAZI scientisits…Amazing!!This news is so shocking!!
hitlernews.cloudworth.com/v2-rocket-von-braun.php
Australia’s Nazi Imports
August 16, 1998
The old enemies within … a rocket test of guided weapons at Woomera, using technology gleaned from the V2 rocket used by the Germans during World War II. Almost a quarter of the German scientists recruited by Australia immediately after World War II were members of the Nazi party. OPERATION Matchbox was born out of the ruins of postwar Nazi Germany as Allied intelligence officers began combing the rubble to plunder the Third Reich’s priceless military and industrial secrets. They quickly identified the greatest prize of all - the scientists and technicians who had made Germany such a feared world power. That realisation would see hundreds of Nazi scientists and technicians spirited out of Germany to Western countries.
While the American and British involvement in this operation has previously been exposed, Australia’s full role has remained a well-guarded secret for almost half a century. At least 127 German scientists and technicians were recruited by the Australian Government between 1946 and 1951. And like America and Britain, Australia was prepared to turn a blind eye to their political backgrounds and the key roles they played in the Nazi war machine. Members of Hitler’s SS, the Sturmabteilung (Storm Troopers), other Nazi paramilitary groups and the Nazi Party itself were among those quietly ushered into Australia by government officials who secretly acknowledged the potential public outcry if what they were doing ever leaked out.
ehm to return ot topic … any progress with the ranks ? 
almost done…sorry for the delay. I’ve just been busy and it’s a bit of a pain to do, because everything has to be done manually.Furthermore, I didn’t want to settle for bad quality. thanks for the patience.
All ranks are now on the server, except for some German insignia. I should be done tomorrow. Then this problem won’t happen again.