Should Obama be president?

What if those books have lead in them? Or toxins in the glue?

I’m not familiar with this, but obviously there is a method to the madness since this is a non-issue that has survived any scrutiny by either the Democratic left or the Republican right…

The reasoning for all this is the influx of fucking cheap Chinese shit such as toys containing high amounts of lead and toothpaste with automotive anti-freeze/coolant chemicals in it. Me thinks doth thou protest too much out of context!

So how would Obama be at fault for this? The Russkies have been “testing” US and Canadian NORAD air defenses for the last several years after a long, post-Cold War lapse…

Well, we’ll see. Obviously Obama is trying to calm people down. Hysteria won’t help.

Anything he will do won’t help either, but hey, maybe we can get stimulus checks from the US, after all, the nation that invented the car cannot walk away from it :mrgreen:

How many books printed prior to 1985 came from china? And how the hell did we all survive?

Well, it’s obviously not going to kill us, but it’s also not healthy.

Ah, since I criticized their attitude towards Durban II I now have to acknowledge that the Obama administration has found its spine and now boycotts that muslim farce. Seems he has not totally lost his mind over the messiah hype after all.

What do you mean with Muslim farce? That they were going to consider Israels Zionist policies racist? Explain to me how they are NOT racist!

They want a Jewish state and claim it THEIR homeland/lebensraum (sound familiar?). They treat Arabs in general with disrespect, and don’t accept a joined solution because they want a Jewish nation. Does it get any more racist than that?

Not to try and defend any type of racism but if anyone has a reason to be racist it would be the Israelis. They have had their Arab neighbors trying to wipe them out for 60 some odd years so I find it hard to fault them for being distrustful of the very same people.

While their Arab neighbours have understandably been trying to wipe them out as brutal terrorist invaders for that period, the Zionists / Israelis have actually succeeded in expelling most of the Arabs from Israel during the same period, frequently violently and almost always by abusing the human rights of the Arabs which human rights the Israelis demand for themselves as victims of the Holocaust and as the Chosen People etc etc whinge whinge whinge moan moan moan while shitting on everyone around them and refusing every peace initiative which fails to enlarge Israel in some fashion.

Which ain’t bad for a bunch of European and other Zionists / Jews who muscled into Palestine in force about 60 years ago and subsequently, although the thin end of the wedge went in long before WWII thanks to the circumstances which gave rise to the Balfour Declaration.

All this without any legimate claim to occupyng Israel apart from biblical bullshit and nobody wanting them in their country, which is becoming quite understandable in view of their conduct over the past 60 years once they got a country of their own.

I’m with Schuultz:

They want a Jewish state and claim it THEIR homeland/lebensraum (sound familiar?). They treat Arabs in general with disrespect, and don’t accept a joined solution because they want a Jewish nation. Does it get any more racist than that?

And, just for the record, I’m not anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish per se, but I am anti-Zionist, as are many Jews in and out of Israel who are appalled by the evils done by the Zionists and ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel.

Similarly, I am as opposed to Jews in my country who support Zionism as I am to Muslims who support Islamo-fascism. There is no difference between these rabid elements apart from their preferred brand of religious idiocy and the violence it permits.

And, no, I don’t see any difference with the Christians either, except that they seem to control the major Western powers which enables those powers to embark on their own forms of religiously inspired idiocy and violence, except that they can’t see it as such.

Dixie, the thing is that they are not only anti-Muslim. (Which could be somewhat understandable, though still not acceptable.)

They are against anything non-Jewish. If Christians suddenly decided they wanted to move there in huge masses, 40 or 50 thousand a year, without converting to Judaism, they’d not allow it. Same goes for Hindus, Buddhists or whatever.

The whole idea of a Jewish homeland is racist in its nature, and speaks against anything Western nations try to stand for with their modern anti-racist ideologies.

The only reason I can see why they are tolerated is because they’re pretty much one huge military outpost for the Americans.

(Not to mention the huge influence of wealthy Jews in America, who on the one side sponsor racist Israel, and at the same time support American campaigns aimed at teaching everybody that we are all the same)

Germany and Austria had been fighting the Ottoman Empire for almost 800 years, with each side trying to wipe the other out and/or assimilate the people. Yet, nobody would allow either of these countries to create a ‘No-Turks’ policy, as it would be extremely racist and simply ethically wrong.

Actually wouldn’t we western powers be at fault for ‘giving’ them Israel without regard for the people living there at the time? Also being that the Jews inhabited the region before the introduction of Islam or Christianity as religions I do think they have more than just a biblical claim, but who the land belongs to is that age old question that is still causing conflicts around the world.

Personally when I support a country I try to base it on their current actions, not past. Sure Israel doesn’t have a clean past but what nation can claim one? Every country has dark pages in their history but I truly believe that if left alone the Israelis wouldn’t bother anyone. Certainly my beliefs may be wrong but I also know the vast majority of Israelis have no desire to wipe other nations off the face of the earth but the same can not be said of many of their opponents. Of course my views are partially shaped by a dislike of radical Islamic groups and the knowledge that much of the fault for the current situation lies with western powers but that is just my view on it.

Schuultz I am not so sure the majority of Israelis are anti everyone except Jews. I knew an Israeli family that wasn’t Jewish and they never claimed to have any problems in their native country (by the same token I used to hunt with a Greek Orthodox Palestinian who bore no malice towards Israel). Almost certainly there are select groups that are against anyone that isn’t Jewish but I doubt this is the majority. Just as you can find groups in the U.S. that are anti Semitic but that isn’t the case with everyone. Just as in your example of the Germans and Austrians not having an ‘Anti Turkish’ policy but there were groups that felt there should be.

Sorry if I didn’t make it clear: I don’t want to claim that every Israeli citizen is racist. When I talk about the Israelis, I’m talking about the government policies.

And you have a completely correct point: The French and British are to blame for the creation of Israel. They gave them the country, they forced the Palestinians to leave those areas. A major problem, however, is the fact that Israel annexed additional territories afterward, be it through war or slow annexations. They are even in the process right now!
They continuously claim smaller portions of Palestinian territories as building land for Jewish settlers. Once the settlements are completed, the entire area gets annexed into Israel.
Through this tactic, the Israelis have annexed huge portions of land that, according to the UN, are supposed to belong to the Palestinians. And that obviously pisses them off…
Jerusalem, for example, was never supposed to belong to the Israelis. But after a war, they just captured and annexed parts of it, and they are busy implementing more and more parts of it through the same tactic I discussed earlier.

As for who the land belongs to:

http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html

So if we wanted to give it to the original recorded owners, we’d have to hand it to the Egyptians…

Of course there were, and there still are. But the difference is that they aren’t in power, the same way KKK isn’t leading the US

Everything where the OIC even opens its mouth is a muslim farce. Muslims are the definition of double standards.

Give it another ten years and you will have no muslim policies in every country in europe.

It is also of note that when neighboring countries like Egypt and Jordan made peace with Israel they returned captured territories. Not to say they would do the same with the same with the land in question now but looking at past situations it is a possibility. Many of the captured territories were also captured in wars the neighboring countries started in Israel’s quest for more strategic depth, maybe not justifiable to everyone but they were offered the pretext for taking them and gave up the areas when the pretext was removed.

Nice little site on the ownership of the land. It is a good example of my point that there is really no way any one group can say it belongs to them. The Kingdom of Israel predated everyone but the Egyptians so they do have some type of claim aside from the biblical claim to it though.

Drake I hope that isn’t the case for you all on that side of the pond, we kind of like have Allies over there even if we don’t always get along….:wink:

No!!! He and his administration is the biggest cluster of brain dead morons I have ever seen.

And what are your solutions to the Global Financial Crisis; the Middle East problem; the American health system; Iraq; Afghanistan; Russia; North Korea; China; collapsing home prices in America; corporate executives’ salary and bonus excesses, with particular reference to AIG; and all the other problems, large and small, which Obama and his cluster of brain dead morons have to deal with?