So what would be the punishment if he was indeed not American-born? Wouldn’t he have diplomatic immunity? ^^
No, Diplomatic Immunity is for people in foreign service jobs, and some others to prevent their being unjustly arrested/imprisoned in other countries for political leverage.This would include the President only if on foreign soil.
This would be very different, I dont know the particulars of this offense, or its penalties, but they would be severe indeed. I’ll look it up online to see if there is anything available. I think it would involve a very deep hole,and a very long time.
I wonder if there has ever been a precedent for that 
I would hope there is no precedent in America, I know that if a President were found to be in office afoul of these rules, any action he may have taken of any kind be it treaties, policies, or pardoning the White House Turkey,would be upon his discovery, and conviction, nullified.My 2 cents worth of opinion is that he meets the requirements of the office, but for the sake of settling the issue once and for all, it would be prudent for the Administration to make public any ,and all documents including those that some say disqualify him, so that it can all be made plain before the public, and the World.
He would probably be impeached. Just like Bush would have been if he had orchestrated 9/11…
And BTW:
That is a birth certificate, but I dont see any endorsement by the Registrar, or the delivering physician. This is what folks get riled about.
The registrar filed it in 1963. Why would the physician endorse it?
It is common practice for the delivering physician to sign the document indicating that in fact a live birth has taken place, indicating time and hospital.
Registrars also generally sign, or impress a seal, or stamp on the document to show its authenticity, and its being filed in the proper manner. This basically exemplifies the signature and information provided by the Doctor. This may not be the process required in Hawaii, These being absent from the document shown in the minds of some Americans means it could have been done up on photo shop.
I think its not the controversy of this document that is as troubling as the realization that the American people harbor such great distrust of their officials, and why they have come to feel this way.
Well, it’s not on this one either:
But it was announced in the local newspaper back in 1963…
It’s a nothing story being recirculated by the base…and I am skeptical when it comes to our fearless leaders, but I try to focus on real issues…
Well if they had stayed loyal to the rightful ruler all this would never have happened, so it is Jefferson’s fault. But we all know it is part of a grand conspiracy going back to 1778 and part of our revenge and control.
We have carefully contrived this by providing a father who could not be directly linked to the UK and could be seen as having a grudge against the UK as additional cover. His time in jail was to prepare him as part of the plot to take over the US 50 years latter. He was carefully selected so as to provide a male son ( a black girl president would have been a bit hard to take for the right wing) who could be groomed to take over the country and hand it back to its rightful ruler.
It’s so obvious I am surprised no one has found out yet.
Interestingly our birth certificates are mostly by hand not typed and then entered into a book as opposed to being on a form. The certificate is hand written and handed out even my copy made 40 years after the original is hand written.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32180625/ns/politics-white_house/
By this web link here/Obama is an natural-born citizen,by saying this Obama has the right to be American President.
Do I think Obama should be the US president? Yes! The past cocasian presidents for the last past 50 years were bad examples of an US president,just maybe an non-cocasians-man can represent America in a better matter.
That assumes that a physician attended the birth, and that the birth was in a hospital. Most likely in the early 1960s, but not necessarily guaranteed.
From what I can see the problem appears to be that those challenging the authenticity of the certificate are unaware that Hawaii doesn’t provide a copy or facsimile of the original birth registration documents but only an extract from its records in the form shown above. This is because local law prohibits access to and issuing copies of original documents http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm so all that issues are certificates verifying information in the original documents http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0014_0003.htm
Let’s be honest, the people challenging these documents aren’t really interested in the truth, they are merely seeking to undermine the authority of the President Obama.
Heya, y’all!
Interesting topic… and definately one that can get some peoples passion flowing!
I, honestly, am not impressed with the Obama administration. But, I don’t really think that it would be terribly different if John McCain had won. My feeling is it was a election with two BAD choices: a charismatic bullshitter or a non-charasmatic bullshitter! John McCain is a true American Hero (read his about his military service), but as a politician (a bad word in my eyes) didn’t actually do half of what he talked and espoused. This guy we elected (by a 2 or 3% margin! Hardly a mandate!) struck me as an empty suit with ZERO experience governing / leading. He is turning out to be something vastly worse!
As for the “American born or not” argument, it’s the stuff of fantasy and X-Files. The people that put this guy up would not have made such a stupid mistake as to promote someone that would be constitutionally ineligible for the presidency. I understand that Hawaii issues both birth certificates (baby is certifibly born under Hawaiian juridiction) and certificates of live birth (is baby is born), so that is probably basis for much confusion. The “concerns” could easily be settled, but there is disbelief from one side and a lack of “openness and transparency” on the other. Extreme right wing nuts just pitch a tent thinking BHO is an Africa born muslim but it’s “opputune” for the administration to be able to point to those kooks and convince the center leaning populace that they represent ALL conservative thinking. Raum Emmanual is quoted as saying “don’t waste an oppurtunity”, so it works to make ALL conservatives look like inbred, Bible thumpin’, UFO fans.
As to the financial crises, I am only TOO aware of its implications. But before everyone goes blaming the previous White House occupant for this mess, remember, we have pretty much EXACTLY the same congress as existed during the last two years of that administration. The Republicans share just as much blame for this craphole we’re in as the Democrats, but where the Repubs will admit to fault only under torture / threat of dismemberment, the Dems will NEVER admit to fault or wrong doing.
Best thing that can happen to the United States today is for Washington DC to crack off, float into the middle of the Atlantic, and sink. It would be an immense ecological disaster (all those shitbags sinking under the waves) and a great lose of historical architecture, but otherwise a good thing. Then we can get somewhere who cares about AMERICA and not party affiliation.
Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes
Maybe, but then you’d be left at the mercy of the idiots who brought us the sub-prime mortgages and sundry other obviously doomed financial clever dick ideas, these idiots being the descendants of the last generation of financial clever dicks who brought you (not us, as that one didn’t affect the rest of the world like the current disaster) the savings and loan disaster.
For all their many faults (almost all of which flow from them being run by politicians who are turds by nature and the rest from being administered by bureaucrats who are turds by profession) the Western governments did a fair job of minimising the effects of the financial disaster brought on by insufficiently regulated financial clever dicks. Imagine what damage the clever dicks could have, and would have, wrought without government regulation and subsequent corrective action.
Much as I share your contempt for politicians, and much as it pains me to say this, we’d all be a lot worse off if we divested ourselves of our parliaments and left our countries to be exploited by grasping people with no morals rather than the grasping moral cripples who populate our major political parties and parliaments.
Interestingly, it appears that in several major areas (I’m pretty sure on Iraq, and have strong suspicions on healthcare) Obama appears to be rapidly adopting McCain’s policies.
Heya, Rising Sun!
But we ARE left to the mercy of the idiots that caused everything to go to crap. Here, the financial meltdown is attributed to the collapse of the housing market / loan industry failure. That was caused by two things: idiot politicians who wanted to show the world how enlightened they are by changing the laws that regulated lending requirements and by unscrupulous bloodsuckers that jumped at the oppurtunity to cash in.
Politicians went on and on about opening up the “American Dream” to everybody, in this case the dream being home ownership. Very noble, but totally unrealistic. Some fat welfare momma sitting on the couch collecting on her 10 children shouldn’t be able to afford a $750000 house. But it was encouraged. Driving to work I used to see the same signs posted on the local corner saying: “Bad Credit? No Problem! $700000 house for only $149 down!” People were getting $20 from each of their “baby daddys” and getting into a half million dollar house like that.
Bloodsuckers cashed in because the idiot politicians had relaxed or removed the rules that required them to make due diligence and confirm that someone that was getting a $750000 home loan could afford the monthly payment of that loan, had a job, didn’t have other outstanding debt, etc. I know bankers are worthless bloodsuckers, and understand that if you hop into a pool full of piranha, you should expect to get biten!
Truly the best thing that could happen to the U.S. would be Congress AND their bloodsucking banker cronies to sink in the ocean!
I think it should be natural to distrust a person who wants to get into politics. It’s not about serving your fellow citizens, making a better town / state / country, but cashing in on the perks and graft. Think about law enforcement: the man (or woman) who wants to wear that “shield” and be cock-of-the-block or the one that wants to serve their community? I think it’s much the same in volunteer military service: there are a lot of nice incentives (GI Bill, training, prestige) but ultimately you are putting your ass on the line for very little pay to proudly serve your country.
Thats one of two things I’m most proud about from my time in the Army: serving my country as did my father before me and serving with and knowing some of the finest men I’ve ever met.
As to governing the country… we could hardly do worse if we just picked some individuals for a period of governing. That fat welfare momma would have a more realistic world view than the shitbags we’ve been getting. Support them with a civil service (ours is mostly good and hard working, but bloated), ban any sort of lobbying and political advertising, and use true democracy, one vote from each citizen, and you’d have something pretty good. Of course, the downside being, you would have to have a more engaged and responsible populace than we have today.
Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes
Heya, PDF27!
I’m not so surprised, BHO struck me as an empty suit, devoid of ideas that weren’t put there by his “friends”, but the bad side being, like I said earlier, McCain may be a real American Hero but he is no conservative. I don’t mean bible thumping, gay-bashing Southern conservatism like the media portrays, and unfortunately was promoted by our last administration, but genuine small government, personal responsibility sort of thinking.
BHO is turning out to be a surprisingly devout radical thinker. The caliber of people he surrounds himself with and takes council from would really alarm people if there was any honest media reporting on it. There is a sworn Communist (can we say the RED MENACE); a guy that believes in eugenics; another that advocates introduction of contraceptive chemicals into drinking water supplies; and another that thinks children under the age of two, older, infirm people, and the mentally challenged should be available for “end of life preparedness” because they don’t “participate in community”. Didn’t the combined militaries of freedom loving countries conquer a group that thought like this 65 years ago?
Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes