If you call Blue Cross HMO health plan generous…I guess your right, its not the best but its okay for us. If I wanted better I could pay more and get it but this one has been okay and by the way the city takes money out of my check every two weeks to pay for that plan. My union pays for my dental and every two weeks money comes out of my check to pay for that plan too. I also have disability insurance and guess what I PAY FOR THAT TOO… Not to bad from a guy with a high school diploma huh?
Im sure ther real reason is…I dont agree with you…LOL
Just curious Nick…what’s your Job …What do you do for a living and I’m sure you have health insurance right?
I didnt say it needs to be a little better I said we have a major problem. It needs to be alot better.
Idealistically the government represents us…but I think we can see that it is not always working in our interest.
I dont know you Mike…but if you where hurt I would help you. Even if it meant paying for it. Dont care if you were poor or rich. And wouldnt care if you paid me back. Helping ppl is good for everyone. Community and Country.
Mike also if you had another career. I imagine you would still put your life on the line to help someone else. I dont imagine you do your job for money.
As most mothers say in someway “You cant do anything until your well” …or mine said “You must take care of yourself before you can take care of anything else” … I believe is the truth. The government has a basic job to help us. If it is willing to protect us from the evil-doers or the axis of evil…wouldnt it be fair to say that is could give us some protection in the area of health. IMO it should not matter if your poor, lazy, stupid, rich or just plain clumsy.
I think if you take a look at one of our most famous letters (DoI) the protection of life is considered a right of our ppl. We cannot save everyone but we can and should do the best job possible. Im quite sure you would give your life to protect your family and squander your fortune to protect them from harm. Health problems are a terrorist that will never go away.
Not trying to attack you Mike just debating! And if you think im crazy thats your right and I wont hold it against you.
Not a problem Gen…We don’t see eye to eye on this problem and we don’t agree on how to fix it…and I don’t consider it attacking someone when they don’t agree. I have been on this site for a while and do know how some get when there is a difference of opinion…but I can Handel it… LOL
And everybody can contribute to their healthcare, but I think a lot of issues need to be addressed…
Im sure ther real reason is…I dont agree with you…LOL
Just curious Nick…what’s your Job …What do you do for a living and I’m sure you have health insurance right?
Actually, I think you once called my credentials or statements into question on an other thread. Is turnabout not fair play now? It certainly wasn’t meant as a personal attack.
I’m in sales, and yes, I have insurance purchased privately, but will switch to the company plan when that expires…
That’s certainly great on a humanitarian level, but the truth is that there is as much evidence that we could save money by restructuring insurance, and forcing the standardization of procedures and coverages…
Sort of like the proverbial example given by the candidates (Edwards?). Something to the affect of “what’s the sense of a heathcare system that will pay for the amputation of a diabetics gangrenous foot, but won’t pay for a diabetic shoe that would SAVE that foot?!”
Perhaps there is some hyperbole there, but anecdotal experience says it isn’t much. Is that really saving anybody money in the long run?
And why can’t I purchase cheaper health plans from other regions of the country? Why not fully apply the “market” rhetoric often deceptively employed by the HMO/pharmaceutical lobby? Why can’t I buy cheaper drugs from Canada when they’re standards are every bit as rigorous as US pharmacies?
Why do I see dozens of commercials for male impotency drugs, which must cost billion$ over the course of years?
Now we know what think the american who lived in Scandinavia for the enough long time:)
Tell us Gen, was it a TOO high the taxpays in Norway to get the FREE MEDICAL SERVICE for the people?
Is it not strange guys than the world riches state who spen a hundred billions for the military operations per year and about the same for the military researhes could not care about health all of their citizents:)
That what a brillian future plann for us the domestic “democrats” who always like to portray the America as ideal:)Welcome to the f…ng capitalism:)
Nice ideal:)
If even the some of americans do realise that there a lot of unsolved social problems that nobody even wish to solve.
That’s right Nick, i’m fully agree.
The ER is FAR NOT enough for FULL medical service that needs for the peoples.
The preventive healthcar like the sanatorial treatments , regular mass inoculations, preventive medical observations and ets- ARE very importaint for the healthcare.
So if the peoples are forced to refuse it coz of lack of medical insurance, jod or money - this good healthcare is a great problem for them.
And there was nothing wrong going to Cuba. Why not? It has nothing to do with Fidel. Cuba is know for they good level medical care considering they founding.
I am pretty sure it was wrong.
why ?, maybe the simple people might believe that a political system like the Cuban one could be good for some, and it is not. :rolleyes:
Political systems are neither good nor bad. It is people that make them so.
Moore called Fidel dictator number of times. I wonder who did not get the message?
If you are affraid that people might see some advantages (not always realised ones) that are imbeded into the current Cuban system then one may say you have an agenda.
Some one here mentioned something like “people in Cuba can’t even get simple paracetamol”. And guess what? It is true. But the question is why?
Well, I can tell you what I have heard. My Danish friends wentto Cuba couple of years ago as turists. And they took many of these basic pain killer pill pacages with them because it was the best currency to pay the locals. And they mentioned that it is because of the USA’strade restrictions the cubans can notget paracetamol.
And mambo :)…that is something that I always love about that country, the leftist always praise it but I dont see anybody of them moving to that paradise.
Wathever, the thing is that there is many capitalist countries that could provide his people with at list a minimum of health care, and I mean free health care.
In november of 2006 I has my gallblader removed ( More rocks than in the Andes there) and I did it in a public hospital…cost of the entire operation and days in the medic facilities = 0 $.
MRSA and other hospital acquired infections are a problem world-wide, for example, there are estimated to be around 2 million cases of hospital acquired infection in the USA each year, and they contribute to the death of approximately 80-100,000 patients each year.
Who in a right mind can call Cuba a paradise? Or any other country for that matter?
That whould just be an extreme view just like the view that trashes everything Cuban jusst because Fidel assumed dictatorial position.
Wathever, the thing is that there is many capitalist countries that could provide his people with at list a minimum of health care, and I mean free health care.
