Special purpose Panzers.

Very interesting maybe if the Wehrmacht was equiped all with such vechiles instead trucks and half-tracks there wouldn’t be such big problem with supplies and movement of troops who knows . :slight_smile:

Surely could go above every ground but probably it was too slow for a quick deployment of forces in such wide front.

Gepanzerte Munitionsschlepper (VK302)


As early as September of 1937, orders were made to develop fully-tracked armored ammunition carrier. Prototype of VK302 armored ammunition carrier (Sonderschlepper BIII) was produced in 1940. At first, 20 vehicles were ordered followed by 100 vehicles but only 28 were produced from October of 1941 to January of 1942 by Borgward. The machine was powered by a Borgward 6 cilinders 49h engine. It had a lenght of 3,9 meters and could carry 4500 rounds of packed 7,92mm ammunition up to 50 km/h. Maximun armor 14mm.

Borgward VK 302 in action ( wochenschau 678 late 1943)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zsUyPhnXvQ

Was this vehicle an answer to the Cardin-Lloyd Bren gun carrier?

A sort of, but as you can see the numbers produced were laughable.

Grosser funk und Beobachtungspanzer auf Lorraine Schlepper.

Atractive looking vehicle based upon the french Lorraine infantry supply/tractor.

30 examples were made by Kommando becker, this special panzer was covered by an maximum 16 mm rolled weldedarmor with a 3 men crew, it task was artillery observation, recce and liason by radio with Luftwaffe units. Armament consisted only in a single MG 34 or 42 plus 1 x MP-40 and some handgrenades.

The vehicle entered in action in the Normandy campaing and most oh them were destroyed two months after D-day. Its weight was 5,6 tons and it was powered by a 6 cilinders, 70 hp renault.

It looks quite modern for its day. A very good looking vehicle.

Atractive but quite underpowered.

Do you think that is why they never really got into service?

No, actually it managed to saw some service, in a limited quantity, look at my post again.

I suppose by then it was to late in the war for Germany to manufacture more?

Yes, they run out of Lorraraine S chassis, this base was used for an APCV, and an self propelled 105 howitzer and 150mm infantry gun plus a variant of the Marder tankhunter with 75mm Pak 40.

This observation vehicle ( the Grosser one) was manufactured in late 1942, early 1943. Not a single one escaped from the Falaise Pocket.

That’s a shame. So you could say that it is extinct!:wink:

Sure thing, probably their rusted steel is nurturing some french farms.

Panzerknacker.

That’s agreat photo of the AfrikaKorps Famo on page 3 of this thread!
I’ve been looking for one in service in North Africa for ages, without any luck.
Where did you get it from?

In no other place than here:

http://www.afrikakorps.org

Another recent one from the photo site I’ve never seen or heard of before:


“Selbstfahrlafette für 28-32cm Wurfrahmen auf UE(f)”, means the Wurfrahmen 40 on a French Renault UE Chenillette tankette.

This is a variant of the Wurfrahmen 40 , a captured ex-French Renault UE Chenillette with rocket artillery to form a more mobile and slightly more protected artillery piece than the towed Nebelwerfer (was nicknamed Stuka zu Fuss).

The weapon consisted of frames attached to the sides or rear of the vehicle holding 300 mm high explosive (HE) rockets; 280 mm HE and 320 mm incendiary rockets were also used.

I was wondering about the efficiency of these mounted rocket weapons since they were known for their lacking accuracy. Usually they were used in large numbers only.

Actually the UE-630/ Wg40/41 combination made alot of sence. Germany captured 3200 out of 6000 of these tankettes in working order and true to form only about 1/3 were convertted to various roles.

They had little utiltity other than an surogate PAK hauler and some policing vehicle. But in combination with the rocket they could have used up all these rocket frames and given each infantry division going into Barbarossa a battery of 20-30 AFVs to be attached to the Engineer battalion to overwhelm any strong point defense/fortification.

One of the main problems with utilizing the Wg40 rockets was they only had a 2km range and troops would have to set them up manually in full view of the enemy. On a mobile protected chassi they could be armed en mass and then brought into prearranged firing position quickely to be launched en mass for maxiumum effect.

In Barbarossa one of the main things that held up the infantry armies was having to reduce the various and numerous pockets of enemy resistance. A tool like this would help to speed up that process.