I rather would have enjoyed seeing the guy try and fire the sten with one hand side ways, I fired one of these when I was at CFB Borden, they have vintage weapons and in Cadets I was able to get a chance to use a sten, as well as the bren. And I was not very accurate with the sten, I was fine with the Bren, in prone of course.
The only words spoken in the vid:- “Pretty good, huh ?”
I’d have been more impressed if he’d have use reactive tgts or shown the results of the shooting.At least it wasn’t some gangster rap slang
Dont like the “American” english ? ( if that is english after all :roll: )
…nice weapon indeed, too bad for the H. Heydrich assasins that it jammed that day.
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I rather would have enjoyed seeing the guy try and fire the sten with one hand side ways, I fired one of these when I was at CFB Borden, they have vintage weapons and in Cadets I was able to get a chance to use a sten, as well as the bren. And I was not very accurate with the sten, I was fine with the Bren, in prone of course.[/quote]
I hope most sincerely that you are being facetious.
You are, aren’t you ?
Please say yes…
:lol: :lol:
Yes, two nations divided by a common language !
No PzK I’ve nothing against US English, but the gangster rap slang that many young people on both sides of the pond seem to adopt is purile, lazy and annoying.
Very true, but at least he was eventually killed at Daybreak.
No PzK I’ve nothing against US English, but the gangster rap slang that many young people on both sides of the pond seem to adopt is purile, lazy and annoying
Agree, unfortunately I have cable tv, so my ears are bleeding for that. :roll:
Very true, but at least he was eventually killed at Daybreak
I think it last longer, he infected his wounds with the horse hair used to fill the Mercedes fur seats.
yeah, I meant that comment to be humourus.
My fault, (not his death !) I didn’t explain myself clearly.
I meant ‘Daybreak’ as in the name of the Op to top him - hence the capital.
Well it was called Operaton Daybreak in the film of the same name, I recall taking a bint to see it in about '75.
(I know how to treat a lady, take her to a war film ! :lol: )
The thing about the Op to Kill Heydrich was that it was motivated not out of hatered because he was a butcher (which he certainly was) but out of fear that he was winning over the local population (which he was).
After the operation, German reprisals ensured that they would no longer receive the same co-operation from the locals thay they were getting before the Op.
The thing about the Op to Kill Heydrich was that it was motivated not out of hatered because he was a butcher (which he certainly was) but out of fear that he was winning over the local population (which he was).
Interesting, unfortunately his death seal the fate of hundreds of Checks who were killed in reprisal. A town were sweeped and blew up by explosives, I cant remember the name.
In the movie the 2 perpetrators killed himself with pistols but other sources say that the were killed in combat with SS troops.
I think the village was called Liddice.
It was not the nearest village to the shooting, but more convenient as it was not industrial and was not helping the Nazi war effort, and possibly smaller than closer villages and towns.
The men were killed in the church, women and children shipped off, IIRC. Afterwards the village was shelled into rubble and erased from the map. The number of those killed vary but between 150 - 200 seems to be the average.
I may have been better for the Nazis just to take it on the chin and encourage mourning by the locals, but each to their own. The after action against Liddice drove a pretty big wedge betweent the locals and the Nazis as you would imagine, which enraged all including the collaborators.
Not too much on t’internet about it, so all of the above is from memory and may be wrong.
From Wiki:
June 10. German security police surrounded the village of Lidice, blocking all avenues of escape. The Nazis chose this village because of its residents’ known hostility to the occupation and because Lidice was suspected of harbouring local resistance partisans. The entire population was rounded up, and all men over fifteen years of age were put in a barn. They were shot the next day. Another nineteen men, who were working in a mine, along with seven women, were sent to Prague, where they were also shot. The remaining women were shipped to the Ravensbrück concentration camp, where about a quarter of them died in the gas chambers or from overwork. The children were taken to a concentration camp at the Gneisenaustreet in Łódź (nowadays in Poland), where they were sorted by racial criteria, and those deemed suitable for ‘Aryanization’ were shipped to Germany (after the war most were found and returned); the rest of children (82) were gassed in Chełmno. The village itself was razed and bulldozed. A genuine film document, made by a German soldier, has survived.
All together, 340 people from Lidice died because of the Nazi reprisal (192 men, 60 women and 88 children).
A small Czech village called Ležáky was also destroyed two weeks after Lidice. Here both men and women were shot, and children were sent to concentration camps or ‘Aryanized’.
George Duncan’s
Massacres and Atrocities of World War II
Czechoslovakia
THE LIDICE MASSACRE (June 10, 1942)
http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres_east.html#Czechoslovakia
Two Czech patriots, Jan Kubis and Joseph Gabeik, serving with the Polish forces in Britain, volunteered to be dropped by parachute near Prague. Their mission, to assassinate SS Obergruppenfuehrer Reinhard Heydrich, the Reich Protector of Bohemia and Moravia. The ambush took place on May 27, 1942, as Heydrich drove to his office. Severely wounded, he was rushed to Bulovka Hospital where he died eight days later. The Nazi reprisals then began. In the next few days, 3,188 Czech citizens were arrested of whom 1,357 were shot. Another 657 died while being interrogated by SS police. On June 9th armed police surrounded the small village of Lidice, some ten kilometres from Prague and gathered together the entire population in the tiny square. Boys over 15 were lined up with the men and locked up in an empty barn. Women and children were herded into the local school for the night. The houses were then ransacked, the pillaging went on all night. Next morning, June 10, at 5am, the women and children were bundled into trucks and driven away. The police then fetched dozens of mattresses from the ransacked houses and propped them up against the wall of the barn to prevent ricochets. The men and boys were then brought out 10 at a time, lined up in front of the mattresses and then shot.
In all, 173 souls were murdered this way. While the firing squads were busy, others set about burning the village to the ground. The bulldozers and ploughs were then brought in and in no time no recognizable feature of the village remained. Meanwhile, the 198 women and 98 children were forcibly separated and driven away, the women to the Ravensbruck Concentration Camp where 35 of the older women were then sent on to Auschwitz to be used for medical experiments. Only 143 were alive at wars end. Of the children, 17 were picked out as suitable for Germanisation and allocated to German households. These children all survived the war and were eventually reunited with their families. The rest, 81 in number, were sent to the camp at Chelmno and gassed. Reprisals were also taken in the concentration camps where thousands of Czech political prisoners were murdered. Contrary to what some history books tells us, not a single unit of the SS took part in the destruction, massacre and deportation of women and children in Lidice. The massacre was carried out by a thirty man unit of the Prague police acting under German officers.
A new village of 150 houses for the women who survived, has been built a short distance away from the original site. The men and boys who were shot now lie in a mass grave in the Park of Peace.
Thanks for all your answers, it was simply awful.
^^^^^
Never, ever, ever, fire a STEN holding onto the magazine! You will damage the means which locks the rotating magazine Housing (mk.II) to the receiver, eventually rendering the weapon U/S.
Are they silenced stens?
Where do they come from? They look quite new.
Back to the Lidice massacre, it is not unique for local troops to behave in such a way. There were similar creatures in all the occupied countries, and of course the Kapo in the concentration and death camps. The Romanians and Bosnian Muslim SS Division were all reported to be capable of the most fiercesom attrocities.
ALthough I am not saying the German SS were all misrepresented angels.
Never, ever, ever, fire a STEN holding onto the magazine! You will damage the means which locks the rotating magazine Housing (mk.II) to the receiver, eventually rendering the weapon U/S.
Thanks for the advise.
Are they silenced stens?
Where do they come from? They look quite new
Yes, they are, those are converted in finland.
Were reported by whom??
Have no books around me at the moment, and would have to read all this from scratch.
A quick google though (late for work) has found this for now. I will try to find more.
Alibi for Prejudice: Eastern Orthodoxy, the Holocaust, and Romanian Nationalism.
by William O. Oldson
In the summer of 1941 the Romanian Army joined in the attack upon the Soviet Union to ensure, in the words of that nation’s military leader and head of state Marshall Ion Antonescu, “the heritage of the Romanian people, the Cross, and justice.” Later in the war Antonescu would elaborate upon this theme characterizing the Russian campaign as a “holy war for right, for the Cross, for civilization, for the honor and future” of the nation. (1) Unfortunately, this crusade against the Soviet Union to regain lost territories was also accompanied by an explosive expression of the anti-Semitism that was endemic in Romania. In the words of one of the most eloquent of the victims, Romanian policies during World War II demonstrated a “pervasive hatred towards Jews…” Perceiving the Jew not merely under the traditional stereotype of the “kike” but also as the manipulator of “a devilish network of evil-making influence over the Roumanian soul,” all too many Romanians came to equate Jews in general with Bolshevism. (2)
The practical expression of this prejudice became, in the words of those prosecuting the Romanian portion of the Holocaust, “the cleansing of the ground.”…
This is the full quote that I can access and there are no notes for this quote, because I don’t want to pay $9 to access the rest of the matierial.
From http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se=gglsc&d=5002496658
It was not unknown for members of the Nazi occupied countries to get “on side” with the Nazis. In the Channel Islands, the only Nazi occupied part of Britain, there was a case where a Jew was “processed” by the British bobbies on the Island and shipped off to a concentration camp. Ok it may only be one Jew, but on three islands with a population of less than 1000 that is alot, IMHO.
Although the Romanians finished the war on the Russian (Allied) side, it was only in August 1944 that they swapped over. Up until then they had been on the Nazi side, in a similar way to Finland and Hungary. They were the fourth largest army on the Allied side at the end of the war after the British, American and Russian and Romania provided the largest non-German army fighting for the Nazi cause on the Eastern front.
In a quote from a report from the University of Chicago.
The behavior of the Romanian occupation forces in Bessarabia and
Transnistria, the Soviet territory between the Dniestr and the Bug Rivers, was characterized more by corruption than destruction. There were massive shipments of industrial and agricultural equipment and stores of grain from Transnistria to Romania. When the Romanian army captured Odessa in October 1941, it massacred between twenty thousand and thirty thousand Jews, packedanother thirty-five thousand to forty thousand into a ghetto where they suffered terribly, and then deported them to camps where Volksdeutsche units murdered them.(21) Soldiers of the Second and Third Ukrainian Fronts under Marshal Rodion Malinovskii had witnessed the effects of the wanton destruction and atrocities as they drove the German and Romanian forces out of the Crimea and southwest Ukraine. It was not surprising that Stalin and the Soviet High Command allowed them a period of revenge once they crossed the Romanian frontiers. The looting and rapes that followed have often been attributed to a conscious policy of terrorizing the Romanian population in preparation for their subjugation to communism. But this view does not take into account the sharp contrast between these actions and the exemplary behavior of the forces of Marshal Tolbukhin in occupying Bulgaria, which had not fought against the Soviet Union.(21) The Romanians also participated in the murder or deportation to Transnistria of over two hundred thousand Jews from Bessarabia and Bukovina that turned into a death march: Dalia Ofer, “The Holocaust in Transnistria: A Special Case of Genocide,” in The Holocaust in the Soviet Union, ed. Lucjan Dobroszycki and Jeffrey S. Gurock (Armonk, N.Y., 1993), pp. 133–54.
None of this diminishes the actions that the Russians carried out on the Eastern Front either, nor their actions in bringing Romania to the communist way of thinking as they headed towards Germany.
I will try to find more information tonight.
Didn’t mean it as an insult to your fine country, nor it’s soldiers (some of whom I worked with very recently) Dani.
There is no problem 1000yds
Anyway, I will help you with a report:
The International Commission on the Holocaust in Romania was established on October 22, 2003. The Commission was conceived from the very beginning as an independent research body, free of any influence and political consideration. The Commission’s budget and composition were approved under Government Decision no.227 of February 20, 2004 and no.672 of May 5, 2004, respectively.
At the invitation of the President of Romania, Mr. Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace prize laureate and honorary member of the Romanian Academy, accepted the chairmanship of the Commission.
The Commission’s aim was to research the facts and to determine the truth about the Holocaust in Romania during World War II, and the events preceding this tragedy. The results of the research by the Commission are presented in this Report, based exclusively on scientific standards.
The Commission met three times – in Washington, May 16-22, 2004, Jerusalem, September 6-9, 2004 and Bucharest, November 8-13, 2004 – to evaluate the state of research and draft the Final Report. On November 11, 2004 the Final Report of the International Commission on the Holocaust in Romania was presented to the President of Romania.
Quoted from the foreword: http://www.presidency.ro/index.php?_RID=htm&id=41
If you’ll select from the top, you’ll be able to read all sections of the report.
On the other hand I was quite surprised about your harsh affirmation:
The Romanians […] were all reported to be capable of the most fiercesom attrocities.
including all Romanians who fought in WW2 and talking about most fiercesom activities.
That’s all and once again, there is no problem 1000yds!
Now should we all go back to the topic?
So that’s why the put the forward pistol grip on it! :lol:
