Tanks and armor quiz (medium level)

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#881

Indeed, my dear gentlemen - it is the Mack-Saurer of the Pancho Villa army, and I am really delighted to be able to work closely with the real connoisseurs of the armored weaponry. :slight_smile:

However, our armored beauty was not constructed (or modified) in 1917, although aforesaid information about the nascendence of this truly unique armored vehicle indeed was presented by the renowned automotive magazine The Horseless Age, and subsequently transmitted worldwide by a well-known Hemmings:

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2010/01/07/armored-truck-of-the-mexican-constitutionalists/

Fortunately, certain usually well informed modelists have presented even some technical drawings connected with our armored rarity, claiming that the Mack-Saurer type of the Draisine blindĂŠe mexicaine was actually converted by Mexican revolutionary forces under general JosĂŠ Doroteo Arango ArĂĄmbula (also known as Mr. Pancho Villa) in 1913:

http://www.colleurs-de-plastique.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32432

Nevertheless, a considerably more meticulous investigation, undertaken by prominent Mr. David R. Haugh (Armored cars – An Encyclopedia of the World’s Wheeled Fighting Vehicles, 2006) specifies that in 1912 only a lonely Autocar 4x2 Guncar was exported to Mexico, and that our Mack-Saurer actually arrived in 1914:

www.warwheels.net/images/WFVMexicoHAUGH.pdf

Well, that is a tiny clarification of this intriguing issue. And now,my dear Mr. Tiger 205 – please, amaze us again! :smiley:

#882

Dear Gentlemen,

what the hell is this?

TGR

#883

It’s a Japanese Type “SS” Armored Engineer Vehicle captured by US troops on the island of Luzon in September 1945. Unfortunately I don’t know the exact model specification (probably “SS-Ki”), because this picture comes from a U.S. Intelligence Bulletin that mentions the vehicle only as “Japanese Flame Tank”.

Later edit: Wow, Thank you for the extra informations regarding the Mack-Saurer, Mr Librarian! I was only familiar with the Hemmings article, so I took most of my information on the subject from there.

#884

Dear Mr. Winfsofwrath,

I accept your answer. Indeed the hardware itself is a SOUKOU SAGYOU SS-KI . The first Japanese CEV.
UGLY, isn’t it?

link:
http://japan.greyfalcon.us/Soukou%20Sagyou.htm

It’s yout turn!!!

TGR

#885

Thank you for that last link, Mr Tiger!

AS my humble offer, allow me to present you with this little piece of machinery, that I hope wasn’t featured on this forum before (with 59 pages of this thread, searching might be a bit problematic):

#886

It looks like the famour ARCHER tank destroyer basen on the Valentine-tank chassis.

TGR

#887

Ok, why do I even bother posting it as a riddle at this stage? I should just post a link to the vehicle right away… :smiley:

Seriously now, well done! Your turn, as always.

The full name of the vehicle was SP 17pdr, Valentine, Mk I, Archer, but you certainly got it right.

#888

Officially:
Archer Self Propelled 17 pdr Gun
or
S-P 17pdr Valentine Mk I5

Total production fiugre: 665 pieces

TGR

#889

Thsi time something totally different:
TWO pictures from this armoured rarelity - maybe easy enigma (I hope not too easy)


TGR

#890

Hi.

The japanese designation was “So(u)ko(u) Sagyo(u)sha” which means “armoured working vehicle”.

The “Ki” from “SS-Ki” would be short for “kidosha” which means “motor vehicle”. And this is already included in Sagyo(u)-“sha”. So SS-Ki would be “armoured working vehicle motor vehicle”…

I think this too long designation was introduced by allied interpreters who retranslated the english designation given from japanese interpreters into japanese as I never read it in japanese publications

Taki´s website - armoured worker

Yours

tom! :wink:

#891

Dear Mr. Tom!

Thanks for your comment, I do not speak Jpanase at all, all I know is the several words I have learned during my ju-jitsu excercises and reading the books like mushasi and Shogun.

regards:
TGR

#892

Marienwagen I mit Panzeraufbau, designed by Mr. Hugo G. Bremer and manufactured in the Daimler factory at Berlin-Marienfelde back there in 1916, my dear Mr. Tiger 205.

It seems to me that you really do like those old, half-forgotten vehicles… :slight_smile:

#893

WELL Done, you are good in these oldies !!! :mrgreen:

“Sine praeteritis futura nulla”
Better to know the beginnings!!!

IT IS YOUR TURN, DEAR SIR!

TGR

#894

Oh, no, I missed the Marienwagen? Damn!
I remember seeing this vehicle a long time ago on the Landships forum and thinking “that wouldn’t go very far”. And guess what, it proved to be a complete disaster!
Oh well… at least we can look forward to a really intriguing enigma from the part of our dear Mr Librarian. In fact, I am all atwitter with anticipation.

#895

I dared to open a new thread…
Please visit it, add write some comment!
I am waititng for ALL OF the comments from the experts locatad here!

Hungarian AFVs of WWII

Regards:
TGR

#896

Oh, thank you very much, my dear gentlemen! I surely do hope that this tiny, a little bit more modern armored vehicle will be sufficiently intriguing for you and all other participants in this topic:

Therefore, honorable ladies and gentlemen – start your offers! :wink:

#897

For the moment no idea :frowning:
for some reasons I have a feeling about spanish relations, but really no any evident for that.
I even cannot recognize the nice helmet of the commander :evil:

some help?
TGR

#898

No problem, my dear Mr. Tiger 205. Here is the first one: our mysterious vehicle was locally produced in a single example, and based upon an American frame, manufactured by Ford Motor Co. :slight_smile:

#899

Hi.

Isn´t this one of the home-made dutch KNIL armoured cars used in the Dutch East Indies?

Yours

tom! :wink:

#900

Yes, my dear Mr. Tom: our mysterious armored vehicle is a locally built armoured car in
Makassar operated by the Stadswacht (City Watch, police force) and advertised as the “Terror of the Fifth Column”.

Yet again, another well-deserved turn for you. :slight_smile: