U -boats

This is a formal comment as a mod.

I’ve reviewed this thread and I can’t see anything to justify that criticism of ubc.

Inflammatory comments like that aren’t conducive to rational discussion, so please avoid them in future.

That goes for everybody, as this thread has the potential to go off the rails.

My comment was based on remarks UBC has made in other threads on this forum. I think that if you will review some of the other threads UBC has been involved in, you will find evidence to support my assertion.

Attacking the authorities used to support an argument is legitimate, but only if those attacks are based on specific deficiencies in an authority’s methodology or conclusions. When someone simply dismisses an entire class of historians based on unsupported allegations of “bias”, and without citing specific examples of such, it rises to the level of a tactic which should be challenged.

You can also check out http://www.ubootwaffe.net/
or http://www.ww2-landmarkscout.com/2011/08/north-germany.html (check out the photo section)

I don’t have time for the likes of Wizard. He has still not learned about “The man who has two watches”.If he did he would have more humility and be less of a cheer leader.

Here is a critic from Uboat net about his volumes on Uboats. I like others can’t throw money at books just to read the other sides view of a war. I would rather waste my money on the sources themselves.

"Editor’s Notes:
This review seems to be the general feeling about this book. We however have serious problems with many aspects of the book and its author. One gets the feeling the author feels he is the only person capable of writing about the subject.

First the tone of the book is one of arrogance and full of sarcastic remarks to the “failure of the U-boats”.

Second its author attacks pretty much all other naval historians and claims that their work is basically useless either by lack or sources or simply, in case of the German authors, due to unwillingness to accept Blair’s “facts”.

Third there are cases of obsolete sources being used in some cases and he makes grave mistakes when taking about the type XXI Elektro boat for one. If he makes serious technical errors or omissions how can we be sure he does not omit sources that do not agree with his notion of the “failure of the U-boat war”?

Fourth he on several occations likes to compare the U-boat war in the Atlantic to the US submarine offensive in the Pacific. Any such comparison is laughable. The US subs faced nowhere near as good ASW forces as the Germans did, had they done so their larger fleet subs would have faced much more serious losses.

Don’t get me wrong, this is a good book. It is not, however, the book on the U-boat war as many claim it is. -Gudmundur Helgason"

I wonder is U864 still going to be raised.I have read that the mercury cannisters it was carrying are a pollution hazard.However the operation to raise U864 off the coast of Norway seems to be continously postponed.

This pic is really lovely. I wish i can join this force. Thanks to upload.

Why would you want to be on a U-boat with a 75% chance of dying?