US small arms of WWII

What a blunder. That’s either flawed, as we have seen from the ballistics gelating, or you’re making it up. Either way, it is true that a .22 LR can pass through a man at near PB if it does not hit bone.

See the balistics tests conducted by experts that have already been posted. :wink:

Thats it then. Iron man has finally pushed the Powers that be to take the ultimate action:

No doubt he is off on another forum right now doing his stuff.

            'nemo surdior est quam is qui non audiet'

Damn, and I was hoping to point out that that the mixed up nature of body cavities, with sudden changes in texture and density, is likely to deflect a relatively light and slow .22 projectile even if it misses bone.

Even though he’s gone now, to avoid misleading the public at large re. his claim about semi-autos all being less powerful than bolt guns due to the energy needed yo operate the action, I trawled through Smith & Smith for some data.

The scientific method states that you must only vary one factor at a time. The 3 independent factors are:

Cartridge
Barrel length
Action type

and the dependent variable is the muzzle velocity.

Since we are interested in action type, we must keep the other 2 variables constant. Thus I trawled through looking for pairs or larger groups of wpns with the same bbl length and firing the same cartridge.

Results:

.303" MkVII, 24" bbl: No.4 - 2440fps (24.2"), BREN - 2440fps
fps

6.5mm Jap, 19" bbl: Type 44 carb - 2300fps, Type 11 MG - 2300fps

.30M2, 24" BBL: M1903 Springfield - 2305fps, Garand - 2305fps, BAR - 2805fps, M1919A6 - 2800fps (recoil operation)

Now, his claim in general is false. For the recoil operated MG in question, however, it is true although represents an utterly insignificant 0.17% of MV (compare to the 4" flash gap loss that TINWALT said was insignificant for flash-gap losses in a revolver). This is simple frame-of-reference stuff - with regard to the barrel, the muzzle velocity is still 2805fps. But since the bbl is moving backwards at 5fps, the velocity with respect to the ground is 2800fps.

For a gas operated wpn. the gas operation system HAS NO EFFECT ON MUZZLE VELOCITY.

Ref. his other silly claims regasding this - comparing semi-auto and single-shot cannon is only possible if they are firing the same ammunition from the same length barrel.

I also love his total refusal to remain consistent as to whether ballistic gelatin is valid, and his insistance that a .22rf with a 26cm penetration in gelatin will most likely go throgh a man whilst a 9mm with a 70cm penetration will most likely remain in the body? Especially as 9mm Para FMJ is reknowned for over-penetration and poor lethality.

IRONMAN, YOU WILL RECIEVE A BAN FOR YOUR NEW USERNAME :!:

pzKpfw VI Tiger, please deleat my last post as your having deleated Ironman/Hygelic’s post makes mine out of context and look like I’m reffering to you.

Aww I wanted to see what he had to say…

As you wish LargeBrew! Deleted!

Cheers Dani

Cheers! Anyway our off-topic posts here will be deleted.

It’s a pity Ironmans post was deleated so quickly I’m sure a few other members would have enjoyed reading his final rant.

What did he say?

Unfortunatelly I didn’t had the pleasure to enjoy his final scream (am I correct?). :smiley:

Edited: enoy = enjoy :oops:

Is it cached anywhere so that we can enjoy it? Otherwise can someone summarise it please?

Hear hear, can’t believe I missed it.

Ironman logged in under a differnt name (Hygelic ) the text was along the lines of how he was being hounded out by the anti-american thug gang who would not accept that he was at all times right in his arguments and that he is glad he has been banned as he was leaving anyway as we are not worthy of his immense and expert knowlege of all things. It was your standard teddy in the corner rant, I wish I could recall it word for word or had saved it but I was a bit Rowley Birkin and was flicking between here and Charlotte Church’s norks in the naffi at arrse.

That will teach you to go to bed early ya bunch of poofs :lol: :lol:

Go to bed early! You posted at 3.40 something GMT, what kind of bender were you on!!!

Firefly
Ironmans post was around 0330-0430 GMT I had just finished typing up a report and was having one of my no work until Monday Stella extravaganzers.

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Hope this helps the original postee