Nick may be you say that the Soviets in 1967 were baraly capable to attack the USA almost unarmed ship?Especially in the soviet Mig’s with the Egyptians sighns?( The soviet flyes on MIG-25 above the Isreal was a tupical matter during the Arad-Israel conflicts).
So really the Americans could not able to believe in 1967 - it was the Egypts attack ( i.e. the soviets) as you tell?
I doubt it.
The Soviets were…
But the MIG-25s were flying reconnaissance sorties and did not have ground attack nor anti-shipping capabilities…
Where would they have attacked from?
What would have been their motivations for such a provocation?
And why would the Israelis want to spark a war between the USSR and USA when neither was directly involved in the conflict?
And to my knowledge, the Red Air Forces never flew French or British made fighters…
You don’t.
I do.
I’ll just leave this as an area where discussion between us pointless as it isn’t going to change the other’s mind.
OK may be i/m too biased.
May be you right.
Cheers.
Mate, that’s something we can always agree on. 
FWIW, I could’ve really killed one.
Village cordon and sweep during Vietnam era.
Usual stuff, with some of our blokes being the VC baddies and dressed in black pyjamas and coolie hats etc captured during a sweep of a village nicely constructed by some engineer or construction unit in record time the day before.
I’m MG guarding prisoners and in position to pour fire into village if our blokes have problems, and waste prisoners if it comes to that under attack.
For some reason I’ve got L2 with blank firing attachment instead of my usual GPMG M60 (probably because M60 blank firing attachment was even less reliable than the useless ones we had on L1’s - SLR 7.62mm - and LMG L2’s)
Some dickhead enemy, who was a mate of mine, decides to escape, so I confront him and we’re struggling for my weapon.
Officer observers are shouting helpful advice along the lines of ‘Don’t let him get your weapon.’
Thank you, Sir, think I, 'cos I couldn’t have worked that out for myself. It’s easy to see why you’re officers and I’m not.
I tell my idiot mate to give it up but he wants to keep trying to get my weapon.
There’s a point where he has the muzzle under his chin and I give serious thought to letting him have it, because at that range a blank can still make a mess.
The stupid prick still wants to be a hero.
I’m sick of trying to save him from himself and I’m sick of officers yelling stupid instructions on what I should do when if he was a real enemy he’d have been dead long ago, but the officer bastards with their swagger sticks are still offering helpful advice to which I’d like to reply
‘Come down here, you fat useless bastard, and see if you can do any better.’
I’ve still got the muzzle under his chin because I still control my weapon and I’m seriously thinking about letting one go, but it’s the wrong thing to do to a mate, no matter how stupid he is.
So I butt stroke the stupid bastard who’s been trying pointlessly to disarm me, and he loses interest in events.
Then the frigging officers want to make an issue of me knocking out one of my mates when it’s just an exercise.
Like it’s my fault!
Right. This thread is going too far off-topic and turning into a slagging match. Locked until further notice while people calm down.
And what is strange that the Gas Chambers were never existed?
Did you see itin Auswitz or somehwere else?
I want to make one thing clear here.
This is not ww2Ihatejews.net or ww2Iseezionimsineverything.com
Man I am very tired of you derailing absolutely all the topics in a holocaust denial conversation, first you did in the Tiger tanks, then in the british School topic and now you have kidnapped the topic here.
No more. NO MORE.
I am giving you 15 days of banning to reconsider you attitude. For your sake I hope it will change.
Topic reopened.
All the holocaust related post will be erased.
LOL He sent me an e-mail. He’s rather perplexed and doesn’t understand the concept of being banned from a message board…
I explained it was only temporary and he’s somewhat relieved…
Tell him it’s like a short sentence in an internet gulag. He’ll understand that concept.
Now, back to the Liberty.
I still think the most telling aspect of the event was the arrival of a helicopter with Israeli combat troops over the Liberty at the end of attacks which, apart from the torpedo, had no prospect of doing anything but slowing it down or disabling it.
This indicates that the intention was to board the Liberty and, presumably, inspect or capture the intelligence material on it.
Otherwise, why not sink it at the start?
There was no benefit, and every prospect of disadavantage, to Israel by trying to manufacture a war between the US and USSR.
As for trying to persuade the US that its ship had been attacked by the Egyptians, that is completely contradicted by Israeli claims that they thought they were attacking an Egyptian ship. Admittedly, those claims were after the event and could be an attempt to present a different picture to the original Israeli intention, but if such a clever plan existed you’d think they’d be attacking the Liberty in Egyptian livery even if they couldn’t get Egyptian planes and MTB’s.
He’s rather perplexed and doesn’t understand the concept of being banned from a message board…
Oh, no worry, we will make him understand.
Some images of the ship and its crew.
He might mistakenly think he’s getting his guard job back…