Romania…
How could you forget it?
Man every side/country/ethnical group has its own peopogand.
I 've already said - this doesn’t mean false, but this is bit biased and hyperbolic as any propogand
I think I posted one, and you wished her raped and killed for it…
Never wished to rape someone except may be you…once
BTW what was it the “Soviet recollection” that you have posted?
Can we extend this to the Soviet Union as well?
Never wished to rape someone except may be you…once
BTW what was it the “Soviet recollection” that you have posted?
Well, send over some more Russian girls like the ones that worked here last summer, and then they can rape me all they want…
I believe one recollection was of the female Journalist working with the Red Army while another was of a Soviet lieutenant…
Sure you can…
We can extend it over USA if you wish…
For instance the raping and killing of Indians or Phillipinos…
Well, send over some more Russian girls like the ones that worked here last summer, and then they can rape me all they want…
Be carefull with that “russian” girls…
You was almost married ONCE…don’t do the stupid mistake again…
I believe one recollection was of the female Journalist working with the Red Army while another was of a Soviet lieutenant…
What does it mean - “you bellieve”?
Who was that mythical lieutenant?
Wrong wars.
And if you look hard enough, there is in fact US political cartoons that unapologetically celebrated the annihilation of Moro villages in the Philippines (one is printed in “Flyboys”) So little was done to “cover up” the typical racist colonial tactics used by any power at the turn of the last two centuries. Ones that saw the occident residents as something less than human. There’s little question that US troops committed egregious human rights violations there. But then again, I do think some of the earlier death rates have been revised downward and many of the deaths can be attributed to the fact that the conflict was as much a Filipino civil war as it was a case of US counterinsurgency pacification…
BTW, you could add the US Civil War to that, much like the Russian Civil War, there was a good deal of bitterness that led to harsh reprisal tactics…
Be carefull with that “russian” girls…
You was almost married ONCE…don’t do the stupid mistake again…
Oh, they’re not here to get “married” nor do they want to stay usually, just to see the US and attend post graduate universities…
What does it mean - “you bellieve”?
Who was that mythical lieutenant?
I’ll get back this, he was a writer and a protege of Solzenitzen who served in the naval infantry…
But whole ww2 was a wrong war. wasn’t it?
And if you look hard enough, there is in fact US political cartoons that unapologetically celebrated the annihilation of Moro villages in the Philippines (one is printed in “Flyboys”) So little was done to “cover up” the typical racist colonial tactics used by any power at the turn of the last two centuries. Ones that saw the occident residents as something less than human. There’s little question that US troops committed egregious human rights violations there. But then again, I do think some of the earlier death rates have been revised downward and many of the deaths can be attributed to the fact that the conflict was as much a Filipino civil war as it was a case of US counterinsurgency pacification…
Not bad pacification…General Jacob Hurd Smith ordered…
I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn, the more you kill and burn the better it will please me. I want all persons killed who are capable of bearing arms in actual hostilities against the United States"
BTW, you could add the US Civil War to that, much like the Russian Civil War, there was a good deal of bitterness that led to harsh reprisal tactics…
So were there no rapes?
Oh, they’re not here to get “married” nor do they want to stay usually, just to see the US and attend post graduate universities…
They always tell they not plan to stay in USA.Until the one fool listen them…
I’ll get back this, he was a writer and a protege of Solzenitzen who served in the naval infantry…
Protege of Solgenitsyn?
His lover or girfriend?
I see a Russian solider steeling a german woman’s bike because he doesn’t have time to walk back to his post 
a very gentle Ivan check the woman bicycle tire hardness.
bstrd
It looks like a Russian soldier trying to steal a bike in possibly Berlin. A lot of looting, hazing, raping, went on when the Russian took control of Germany at the end of World War II.
Right.
But why don’t the people try to escape from the place where a bloodthirsty drunken Soviet soldier is on the rampage?
Why instead of getting away they watch with interest?
It’s human, just like those curious onlookers at accident sites.
I think that nobody has taken into consideration the timing of the photo. In other words, was the photo taken towards the end of the confrontation or right at the beginning? If it was right at the beginning, people around them would have looked at tried to figure out what was going on. As the confrontation escalated, probably a good number of these onlookers would have scrambled about. If it was something as simple as the guy helping her with the tire, I doubt that it had gotten much attention at all.
The idea that Germans would have scrambled right away is ludicrous. While Germans were indeed afraid, I’m sure that there were individuals who wouldn’t have just gotten on their knees and taken it. If this is Berlin in 1945, that bike was precious to that woman, which would explain why she wouldn’t just let him have it without at least puting some effort into keeping it. It is a confrontation that she most likely lost, but all the power to her anyway!
And, by the way, I find earlier posts about German girls preferring Mongols over Allied somewhat offensive. These people were going through things that most of us can only imagine. It isn’t a matter for jokes. I do understand that there seems to be a lot of testosterone here, but, as a woman and someone who has met people who suffered during the occupation, it isn’t funny at all!
No-no.
The curious onlookers are only there exactly because they feel own security next the crush site.
The look only because they feel no danger to themselves.
Here is another situation…
so my point is that maybe the bystanders did not feel much danger?
No it is not ludicrous. It is not specificly about Germans or any other nation.
It is only about the amount of terror and the resulting fear.
This picture indicates to me that the amount of suppression and terror imposed on German population in Soviet occupied zone was not on a high level.
Have in mind though, that this photo is most likely was taken in May or later, which means that the first period, where there indeed were many brutal vengians act comited by the RKKA, was over.
And, by the way, I find earlier posts about German girls preferring Mongols over Allied somewhat offensive.
What posts?
These people were going through things that most of us can only imagine. It isn’t a matter for jokes.
Agreed absolutely.
Dear Igor,
I said that to expect Germans to have scrambled around was ludicrous because eventually the dust would have settled, suppression or not. The amount of terror allegedly displayed or not displayed would depend on when this photo was taken. As with most conflicts and resulting occupations, there is an initial fear. Eventually, that fear has to be put aside as life has to go on. If one lives in constant fear, one can’t function and can’t survive. I would venture to say that the first six months of occupation would have been the worse. After that, things would have eventually settled down as they obviously did. People learn to live with the situation.
If I understand correctly, your point is that because this photo shows no fear in their faces, then there wasn’t as much suppression or fear as some of us might believe there was. Can we say by looking at a photo from the Vietnam era that there was no fear in the vietnamese people there? Can we say by looking at soldiers fighting, that they felt no fear? I’m sorry, but I’ll just have to disagree. One just can’t make those kinds of conclusions when you look at a photo sixty some years after the fact. Nazi sympathizers could use that same argument while looking at some photos. Perhaps what we see is resignation, not lack of fear. I guess we’ll never really know.
That’s one way to see it. But -in contrary to modern days- people back then had something like moral courage, meaning they would have helped the woman if there’s no danger around. Who knows how many armed russian soldiers were standing behind the photograph.
Well, with all due respect, I would not overestimate people’s moral courage in those times. There were deffinatly was some shortage of moral stuff.
Especially German… and Russian ones…
Who tries to steal a bike by grabing the front tire? If he was trying to take it from the woman why not grab the handle bars? My guess would be a propaganda picture of a Soviet soldier being kind to the German people or maybe he is just actually trying to help the lady with her bike…
A Russian soldier trying to steal a bike in Berlin. A lot of looting, hazing, raping, went on when the Russian took control of Germany at the end of World War II.
Why don’t the people try to escape?
Escape where to? the next street where they are being shot at?
This picture was taken during the Russian occupation of Berlin. The population are so used to this kind of thing, they don’t even look surprised, and if he’s stealing bikes and you dont have a bike - why worry.
Lets not try to pretend that the Russians did not rape, murder and steal their way from the Ukranie right through to Berlin.
I re-encountered this particular picture once more in a book lately mentioning an interesting assumption: The soldier covered by the soviet is soldier is supposed to be a G.I., telling by the headgear. Not unlikely since the pic allegedly derives from Berlin, shortly after the end of the war.
One naturally assumes that the Soviet soldier is trying to take the bike from the (presumably) German woman.
How do we know it’s not the other way around?
How do we know it’s not a Soviet bike that is being rightfully reclaimed by the soldier?
It could be any number of things.
There’s a famous photo of a striking woman walking down a street in Italy in the ?1950s and getting various lascivious responses from the men, including from memory one bloke gripping his wedding tackle through his pants. It confirms prejudices about dagoes being sex mad chauvinists. The only problem is that in recent years it has been alleged, or maybe confirmed, that it was a set up and everyone was acting a part.
How do we know that the bike photo isn’t in the same category?