Who should they belong to?

My Compliments to you, Enrique.
While I will maintain til I die the view I do, you reason the matter well.
For that, I Salute you.

Respectful Regards, Uyraell.

Mr Uyraell

Thank You Sir for Your words
Very Kind of You

With all my Respect - Enrique

The Argentine Culture -

Indeed there is an Argentine culture , with its traditions , with a welcome feeling to who would like to live in our Country -
But there are other Cultures out there besides our , There is the British Culture , the German Culture , the Chinese , the Japanese - And all of them are as good as ours is - And most of them are much older than ours -

The only Natives from the Islands are those few 2,000 or 3,000 that were born there , that must be already on their fourth or fifth generation and they are the ones that are going to make the decision on their future -

On our behalf the only wise thing we could do is to start earning their trust and respect , and it may be that in 20 or 30 years as you said , they will think in accepting an Argentinian administration because of economic advantage , because they do not feel any threat and because they will be able to drive on the left of the road at least in Stanley and its surrounding area ( preserve some of their culture and traditions ) -

Regards Enrique

Enrique, if the Argentine government had been as enlightened as you for the past century, the Falklands would have long since been renamed the Malvinas.

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Thank you Sir , I am not enlighted , it may be that I’m getting old -I have already seen too many things in life and I am understanding a little better how things are -

Regards Enrique

Small Correction here : "It may be that I’m getting old "-

Should say : 55 , and still with some music to play -

For far too many people getting older just strengthens bigotry rather than brings wisdom - as far too many of the other posts in this thread demonstrate.

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Some years ago an old man told me :

Some people mature after everything else has failed -

Regards Enrique

And its wrong , if were in the future to recover those islands by Diplomacy the first step is to win the islanders trust , we can not change their way of life by law - it will not work -

Great Britain will not give us back the islands just because they are too far away from London , or because it’s a headache to supply them - If we think that way we are wrong -

We may get them back , when at one point in time the islanders get to trust us enough , when they know that they will be able to live a normal live under Argentine administration , when they feal that they are going to be protected by us - That will be the braking point in which we will have a chance to sit with British and Islanders to talk about the islands -

Be sure that the old man that I saw on his land rover will sit at the table and will have the final say on all this -

Reagrds Enrique

Well evidently some kind of agreement is needed, the cultural and historical links between Argentina and England were realy strong, unfortunately the war poisoned the relationship for ever.

II think is possible, considering the filth that world has become, with all the racial, religious and economical troubles pending over the western civilization war again between 2 great western countries like England and Argentina is crazy, and suicidal.

Agree Agree Agree

in all with You Mr Panzerknacker

Regards Enrique

Why?

Why?

Why don´t you apply the same idea to Hong Kong?
Maybe the chinese are more respectful of Human Rights than Argentina?

Or the truth is that you make better business with China than with Argentina?

Neither. In Hong Kong, the New Territories (which just happened to include virtually all the water supply for the city, plus a very significant fraction of the business, and are coloured green on the map below) were always on a 99 year lease to the UK from China. When this lease expired, they had to be handed back to China. The rump of Hong Kong (about 5% of the land area) could not support the population it had without the New Territories, and hence would be extraordinarily difficult to keep. The decision was taken to hand it back as a whole, which meant that a “One Country, Two Systems” deal could be negotiated - giving those living in Hong Kong many more rights and priviledges than those living in mainland China. Indeed, they are far better off in Human Rights terms than those living in Argentina under the Junta.

Because Hong Kong was acquired by Britain under a lease, and returned to China when the lease ended.

Argentina was never in the same or a similar position in relation to the Falklands.

Maybe.

But at the time of the Falklands War the Argentinians probably were at least as bad as the Chinese, and perhaps more so as I don’t recall much commentary on Chinese throwing dissidents into the ocean out of aeroplanes. Or wiring them up to electrocution machines.

So far as Australia is concerned now, definitely.

In the 1980s’. About the same.

It may come as a great surprise to you, but Argentina does tend to lag a little behind China as the most desirable trade nation.

I think Donald Trump just bought them…

I opt for self determination,. let the inhabitants choose their own fate :slight_smile:

The solution is a compromise that doesnt keep too happy to any of both parts involved, if the winner takes all it would never work.

The Island have been back in the news again since the oil explorations and certain South American countries stopping ships flying the Falklands flag from their ports, last I read the oil surveys weren’t going well but even if they came back with nothing I doubt Argentina would loosen its claim.

Self determination is all well and good for the Islanders but no matter what they decide it won’t effect the non picked countries claim.

Help me out here please. I’m a little baffled. Did Argentina exist as a nation when the British took over the Falklands? If it did not, what are the Argentinians talking about when they say the islands are “theirs”? Really? How can a nation which did not exist claim something it never owned in the first place?. Change that to “very” baffled.

After re-reading all the posts in this thread, I have come away with the conclusion that the Argentinian position is not negotiable; nor is it rational in any logical framework I am aware of. If “facts” are not to be a part of the discussion, one has to wonder if “discussion” is a misnomer and unlikely to be fruitful. Ever. The Argentines are to logic and reason as two plus two are to five.

One thing seems abundantly clear to me. Should the Falkland Islanders ever vote for independence from the UK, and be stripped of its defenses, Argentina would invade the next day. Unfortunately, UN guarantees would be worthless.