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#761

Oh, thank you very much, my dear Mr. Carson. I think you deserve a gift for your kindness. :slight_smile:

Yes,our mystery machine is the Laville DI 4- prototype Soviet fighter constructed by an almost completely forgotten French engineer, Mr. Henry Laville, who was the chief engineer of the long-range chasseur soviétique de design révolutionnaire.

Here is another photo of this rare airplane:

http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/fww1/di4-i.jpg

Thank you very much for a highly intriguing task. My grey cells are completely refreshed and ready for some new efforts. :smiley:

As usually, you will excuse me for a moment. I have to find something suitable for this distinguished thread. :wink:

#762

Sorry for my protracted silence, my dear Mr. Carson, but it seems to me we had practically desiccated all available sources of rare airplanes…

Nevertheless, here is another one, which is completely suitable for our purposes:

Yes, I know: this birdie indeed looks a little bit too old, but although she was constructed in 1929 she served marvelously even in 1944!

#763

God afternoon dear Mr. Librarian and thanks very much for your offer.
Offhand I can’t tell you immediately who this biplane is but knowing that she’s a 1929 machine I don’t despair to find it sooner or later.
Maybe you might be good enough, to shrink my research field,and tell me whether she is a US or european product?
carson1934

#764

With great pleasure, my dear Mr. Carson: our old birdie is of specifically European origin. :wink:

#765

It looks like a Vickers type. Am I right concerning the nationality?:confused:
carson1934

#766

Well, only partially, my dear Mr. Carson. You see, that nine-cylinder, single-row , air cooled radial piston engine of that fairly rare old birdie definitely is of British origin. But, alas, that’s the only British element in it. :slight_smile:

#767

Thanks Librarian, was the engine perhaps a nine-cylinder radial Bristol Jupiter?
carson1934

PS I think I found it: the Svenska Aero Jaktfalken…
carson1934

#768

Yes, my dear Mr. carson – the Svenska Aero J 6 B Jaktfalken, designed by a renowned German engineer and pilot Carl Clemens Bücker indeed was our special flying guest star.

Your turn again! :smiley:

#769

Good evening dear Librarian
If I found the name of the previous machine it’s thanks to your clues…now before proceeding with a new offer I wonder if you could help me out.
In a very nice forum of which I am a simple visitor I found the pic of a trimotor that I’m sending you.
Now the pic is tagged as: C.N.A. Delta (sic et simpliciter) and the writer adds that it is an italian aircraft of the late twenties/early thirties. I have been asking around but nobody has ever heard of it, I myself have been using up the fleshy ends of my fingers on google…but, alas, to no avail…since you are a man of deep learning could you enlighten me…
Cheers
carson1934

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#770

Well before I forget (age is taking its toll) let’s proceed with our offers.
Dear friend what do you think about this rather ungraceful recce/bomber aircraft of the early thirties?
I’m pretty sure her lines will give it soon away!
carson1934

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#771

I tender you my sincerest apology for the obvious delay, my dear Mr. Carson, which occurred due to some unavoidable and absolutely uncontrollable official circumstances connected with my bureaucratic line of work. :frowning:

Although your esteemed friend from the WW2 Aircraft Net Forum, honorable Mr. Marcogrifo from Genova, was able to find some highly usable sources connected with that mysterious old birdie named C.N.A. Delta (for me it looks like a derivative of the good old Spartan Cruiser with different engines) I wish to call your attention to this tiny piece of information offered by my dearly beloved, specialized metadata crawlers, which are constantly connected with the Italian National Library service OPAC – SBN (Servizio Bibliotecario Nazionale):

Verdinelli, Armando
La Compagnia Nazionale aeronautica : 1920-1931 / Armando Verdinelli
Roma : Compagnia Naz. Aeronautica, 1931 (Roma : Grafia, S. A. I. Ind. Grafiche)
Monografia - Testo a stampa [IT\ICCU\CUB\0658946]

I think that in this book you will be able to find all those essential facts about that almost completely forgotten machine. :wink:

Available examples are obtainable at:

Biblioteca Angelica - Roma (RM0290 ; RML06)

Biblioteca romana e emeroteca - Roma (RM 0275 ; RMRAC)

Biblioteca nazionale centrale - Firenze (FI 0098 ; CFICF)

And please accept our best thanks for the confidence with which you have hithertho honoured us.:slight_smile:

BTW: It seems to me that nobody was interested for that almost completely forgotten Soviet mystery - Kocherigin TSh-3.

Well, perhaps our next offer from our unpretentious rarity cabinet will be a little bit more attractive deciphering assignment for all honorable participants of this distinguished forum.

In the menatime, as always - all the best! :wink:

#772

Hmm, I used to be administrator at WW2 Aircraft Net a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

#773

#772
my dear Librarian
I’ll be indebted to you forever for the mass of useful information concerning my research of C.N.A.
Next time I’m going to Florence I won’t fail to visit Biblioteca Nazionale!
I take this opportunity to extend my thanks to Marcogrifo and to our polish friend Tzaw who also proved instrumental to supply additional precious information.
Now concerning my last enigma it is indeed the Kocherigin-Gurevich Tsh.3 which to tell you frankly I thought might have attracted more attention.
I’m now waiting with glee for your next offer.
Cheers
carson

#774

#772. So, what we have in the Tsh3 is a Russian Junkers J1 with smoother panels, and greater armament options. An interesting little beast.

Regards, Uyraell.

#775

You don’t have to dissipate your valuable time, my dear Mr. Carson – just ask my distinguished colleagues in your eminent hometown library for a specialized service called interlibrary loan. You know, once upon a time all libraries used to lend each other those rare source-materials needed by students and researchers for a serious reading. Of course, the carrying charges must be paid by the borrower, but you will have much more time for your creative activities. :slight_smile:

And now – back to business! Here is our next flying mystery:

Yes, yes - I know: Our darling looks pretty aged, but I am assuring you that she was very active during the WW 2. :wink:

#776

A PO 2 on floats?
That’s my guess, LIbrarian :slight_smile:

Kindest Regards, Uyraell.

#777

#776
Dear Mr.Librarian,
thanks for the advice concerning book borrowing.
now your floatplane reminds me very very much of something I have come across just yesterday, i.e. the roumanian S.E.T.7 hydroversion of 1935.
Would that be perchance what we are looking for?
carson1934

#778

Well… not exactly, my dear Mr. Uyraell. You see, our good old Po - 2 Kukuruznik actually was equipped with a 5-cylinder air-cooled radial engine, while our old-fashioned birdie has a 9-cylinder powerplant. :wink:

The very same problem is present in our next offer, suggested by honorable Mr. Carson, only this time the factor of discrepancy is the fact that a 7-cylinder radial Gnome-Rhône 7K was used by the S.E.T. 7.

Consequently - place your supplementary bets, gentlemen! :slight_smile:

#779

My dear Mr. Librarian, you have a great skill in uncovering various avisae-rares, and I confess this aged memory of mine lacks somewhat in details as to these avisae obscures.
I shall have to think on further likelihoods, as you suggest.

Kindest Regards, Uyraell.

#780

Dear Mr. Lbrarian
I’m seeking your indulgence for my protracted silence concerning your offer of Jan.22nd unfortunately I had to take care in the interim
of some important private matters.
Now concerning your challenge I regret to say that I don’t seem to recognize your rather aged biplane therefore I’m trying to locate it by using the only clue I have at my disposal and which you kindly offered i.e. the fact that our aircraft is propelled by a 9 cylinder radial engine.
Therefore unless you will be kind enough to furnish a bit more details I’m afraid of being pretty much stuck.:frowning:
Cheers
carson1934