Best WW2 female ace-fighter

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#1

Hello folks.
I hope you know that the best allies ace was the Ivan Kozhedub (62 vic).
However did you ever hear that the best ace-woman who boldly fought together the man - was the soviet girls from the special 296 figher regiment.
The Lidia Litviajk was the most famouse soviet woman-ace
http://www.airwar.ru/history/aces/ace2ww/pilots/litvak.html

This buatifull girl shot down the 14 (!!)Germans aircrafts , at least 3 of them were the fighers.Not bad resault for the girl
He began his combat way from the september 0f 1942.

His first air victory was under Stalingrad in 13 sep. Lilia shoted down the for the single battle the U-88 and Bf-109.

The Lilia together with her friends - female fighters of 296 regiment.

Two victories in one battle- this was a great archivement even for the men.
Later the victims of Lilia were also two of FW-190 in winter of 1943. But the mostly suffered were the U-88.
Lilia Litwak did not come back from the combat mission in 1 aug of 1943. Later her remains were found in near the villiage Marinovka.In her last battle she has meet the large group of German fighter , her damaged Jak-1 fall down in the German territory.

Her last fighter Jak-1b number 23.
For her relatively short carier since sep1942 -until 1 aug 1943 she destroed the 14 aircrafts - bombers and fighters. This is amazing resault EVEN FOR THE ANY ace.

How could we lose the war if so buatifull girls died instead of mens in front?

#2

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#3

Why?

A round fired by a woman is going to kill you just as dead as one fired by a man.

I remember having a similar debate with anti-war friends during the Vietnam war. What would you do if a ten year old VC kid was pointing a gun at you or about to throw a grenade at you? It’s a no brainer. I want to live. The kid dies. Sorry. (The correct anti-war answer was: I die a noble death at the hands of an innocent ten year old child, who just happens to be armed and trying to kill me. Yeah. Right.)

I don’t think any English speaking Allies used women as fighter or bomber pilots, although they used them as ferry pilots for fighters and bombers and transport aircraft.

As for being a communistic blunder, I think the commie sheilas came out squarely on top in this case.

America had a hard enough time admitting that negroes could fly planes and had courage like white men, never mind women doing it http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/

#4

Chevan,

The “White Rose” of Stalingrad.

I’ve read about her before. Very touching story.

The White Rose of Stalingrad 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFj_aHDLCEI

White Rose of Stalingrad 2/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzFXd7JegBo

SEE ALSO:

Lydia Litvyak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Litvyak

Lilya Litvak - The “White Rose” of Stalingrad
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/litvak/litvak.htm

W.W.II Aces: Lilya Litvak
Lilya Litvak, The White Rose of Stalingrad
http://www.musketeers.org/Lilya.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-vetscor/1656761/posts

http://users.pandora.be/stalingrad/russianpart/ruslitvyak.html

http://pratt.edu/~rsilva/litvyak.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/bustersbattery/militrivia/MILITRIVIA53.html

#5

I’d shoot him in the legs and take him as a prisoner of war.

#6

I think Marina Raskova opened a lot doors for female pilots in Soviet Union.

Could not agree more.

If you take a bullet, it’s pretty irrelevant if it’s shot by child, woman, man - or if it’s friendly fire.

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#7

If you think you’re doing the kid a favour, you’d better have quick access to fully equipped field, or preferably base, hospital that has space to treat an enemy combatant immediately.

If kids are hit in the thigh with a military round, there’s a good chance they’ll die from a severed femoral artery, or just from the massive shock. Even if kids survive the wound, there’s a fair chance they’ll have the leg amputated if the femur is hit.

A military round hitting the femur is a very serious injury. A lot of adults in WWI with shattered femurs were classified in triage as beyond saving and left to die. The Allied mortality rate in WWI from femur wounds was as high as 80% in the first half of the war until improved techniques reduced it.

#8

Pretty idiotic to let women fight in the army just like men.
Typical communistic blunder.
…bla…bla…bla…

No, no, no , you are too new to come here with that attitude.

Take some pills and relax, any messages load of agressive crap like this in the future and you get some infraction points.

#9

Couldn’t have put it better myself.

I know the Soviets had many women in the Red Army.

For example, Major Lyudmila Pavlichenko, a Soviet sharpshooter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko
According to the wiki article, she had 309 kills from 1941 to 1943. There were about 2000 female snipers in the Red Army, out of which only about 500 survived to the end.

#10

The communist ( or more correctly the tupical nazy blunder) is in your head, SS-Chicken.
Did you ever heared about Army of Israel where the girls together with mans get the military training - and they are very proud of this.Every israel gerl feels its duty to serve for the defence of its state in critical moment.
So tell them - this is the communist blunder , clever boy.

#11

Oh Thank you very much George.
You was always able to find the a lot of material;)
Yes the “white rose of Stalingar” - the Lidia Litvak is pretti much look like the white rose.
Se was a blond, 21 years (in moment of death) - this youg bestia could make crazy any man.
She one of the most buatifull girl in her regiment.

The story of her love with the Alexej Solomatin - is also a quite amazing and tragical.

Her husband Hero of the Soviet Union Aleksey Solomatin. ( 17 victories personal, 22 in group) 73 guard fighter regiment.
When in the beginning of 1943 the Lilia has arrived to the regiment , she was directed by the Solomatin as slave. They both made a lot of missions, bacame the lovers and soon they had a marriage ( in front).
But their happines were too short. In 21 may of 1943 Aleksej Solomatin were shoted in mission, he could reach of airgield and in the eyes of all of regiment and Lilia he perished crush-landing to death.
The Lilij very suffered for him and was physically and mentally worn out.
She survived only 3 mounth after his death.
BTW her resault - 14 victories for ONE year was very high even among all of allies aces .
For instance the Aleksandr Pokrishkin ( the second soviet ace) fought 4 years and shoted 59 aircrafts- i.e. about 15 per year.
Besides Lilia fought at the extremally hard period of 1942-43 when the Luftwaffe still had the superiority in the Eastern front.

Cheers.

#12

That’s true bwing, but if you want to disscuss the woman-snipers of WW2 open the new thread please.
This is a too GREAT issure for this female-ace thread;)

Cheers.

#13

communistic blunder?

[b]Women in the Danish defence service[/b] (in Danish from the Danish defence ministry homepage)

…

Women as fighter soldiers

In the period of 1981 - 1987 the Defence ministry conducted reforms in different units of all 3 defence branches. And from the middle of 1988 it became possible for women to assume possitions in the millitary units fit for active fight. It was first came practicaly true for women to became fighter pilots in 1992.

In 1993 women got opportunity to become contract soldiers in the Danish International Brigade (DIB). And in April 1998 it became possible for women to become voluntier conscripts.This all formed the equality between men and women in the Danish defence service.

Today there is app. 900 women in the danish defence forces. It is about 5% of all the profecional soldiers in Denmark.

#14

Well guy it seems you are too bold for this forum;)

You tell me Russian hero why there were women in the Russian army.

Guess yourself, although from three attempts;)

Was it because they are battle hardened, strong and very agressive? NO.
Why was it then? Because in communistic countries everybody was allowed to fight and die next to their husband.

Wrong.
You obviously know nothing about "communists countries’
The all girls who went to the front were VOLUNTARIES.They want to fight , to have revenge , and they were ready for die.
But i’m doubt you could ever understand it .

And please don’t call me SS-Chicken again.

OK i will call you SS-fan. Is so better?:wink:

#15

You obviously know nothing about "communists countries’
The all girls who went to the front were VOLUNTARIES.They want to fight , to have revenge , and they were ready for die.
But i’m doubt you could ever understand it .

What exactly did I said then?

OK i will call you SS-fan. Is so better?:wink:

No, you call me SS-Master, Master or Mister Norden.

#16

May be i should call you as High-race Man?;)Or Mister Master-race.Or simply Furher.
What do you prefer?

#17

Well, me old Russian mate, you might be on the money there.

SS Thingy has established he’s hostile to the American dictatorship and the Soviets, so there’s not a lot of choices left, are there? :wink:

This should turn out to be interesting. A bit like Albert Speer, but without the knowledge and intelligence.:wink:

#18

You’re named after a WWII bombsight developed by the American dictature?

Something must have made a big impact to cause that.

#19

SS-Master, are you from Norway?

http://www.mil.no/fakta/start/menneskene/kvinner/

#20

Nope…lets see if he wants to say where???