Dora

80 cm cannon “Dora”

The 80 cm cannon “Dora” was the biggest gun which were ever built. There were some guns with a bigger caliber like the 91.4 cm Mallet mortar which was used during the Crimea war against Sevastopol and the American 91.4 mortar “Little David” (only one prototype) from the Second World War, but none gun had got such a big total mass like the Dora cannon. It weighed 1,350 tons and shot 7.1 tons Armor-piercing grenade over a distance of 38 km. The pipe weighed 400 t. In 1937 the company Krupp got the order to build this cannon from the Heereswaffenamt on own desire of Adolf Hitler. It was only used one time against Sevastopol in June 1942. Sevastopol was the strongest fortress of the world. Only 48 projectiles were shot with the Dora cannon. To used the cannon two pairs of tracks had to be build. To make it possible that the gun can fire in different directions a shooting curve had to build. To move the gun on this shooting curve two locomotives each with 691 kW were used. This cannon could not be transported in one piece and so it had be build up every time. To build up the tracks and the cannon over 2000 men and special cranes were needed and it took 6 weeks. Protection from air attacks was also very important. The Dora cannon should be primary used against the Maginot line between Germany and France. Another gun like this was built, but with another pipe. This gun was called “Schwerer Gustav” and it was never used. Another gun with the name “Langer Gustav” was also build, but it was not finished. There were even plans for a fourth gun called “Schwerer langer Gustav”. For these guns also rocket projectiles were planned, but they were not finished. They should fly up to 190 km. The incomplete “Langer Gustav” was destroyed by air attacks and “Dora” and “Schwerer Gustav” were blown up by a German blowing up command in Kummersdorf in 1945. The construction of these guns were very interesting, but the use was very low.

Technical data about the 80 cm cannon “Dora”

Type of weapon
Railway cannon

Manufacturer
Krupp

Caliber
80 cm

Total mass
1,350 t

Length
47.3 m

Width
7.1 m

Height
11.6 m

Ammunition
High-explosive grenade/Armor-piercing grenade

Projectile mass
-High-explosive grenade
-Armor-piercing grenade

4.8 t
7.1 t

Muzzle speed
-High-explosive grenade
-Armor-piercing grenade

820 m/s
720 m/s

Maximum range
-High-explosive grenade
-Armor-piercing grenade

48 km
38 km

Took this info off of a site.
For this and tons of other German cannons and tanks go to
http://www.die-legion.net/html/wwii_weapons.html[/img]

Locomotives used to haul Dora.

The gun is a real beast! Look at the size of the shells

They also had plans for a self propelled version!

http://members.tripod.com/~fingolfen/superheavy/p1500.html

Should this not be moved to the German section?

:lol: :lol:
Topic moved, of course :arrow:

Many of such “great” projects were realized during WWII but they all were just a mess of material and peolpe.
But the biggeset advantage in the modern Warfare was the idea to decrease the effectivity of any soldier and not to put as much firepower on one point as you can.
That was the reason to build the StG44!
StG means Sturmgewehr (translated: Rapidattackrifle) 44 means the year it was engineered.

That name was easy to use for propaganda and so it became famous, but anybody who uses an AK47 or advanced version of it uses a version of the old StG44.

Cue Mr Stoat here!!!

Calling all Stoats!

Stoat:
Rabbits taste like chicken!!!
Without the ears… that tastes different… tastes like… like… i dont know…

you know???

I take it from your statement that you have used neither.
They are of different design - please search some of the other threads on these two wpns especially, as Firefly notes, those by MoS.
The MP43/MP44/StG44 uses a tipping bolt lockup and the AK series a rotating bolt.

I think they are in the 2005 Archive somewhere.

http://www.ww2incolor.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1276

Please read the above page! You should learn something!

…and your myth is BUSTED! :wink:

Dani, as always, your powers of searching are akin to the great Sherlock Holmes himself, the game is afoot!

its just the idea i wrote about…
sorry if it looked like i think its nearly the same guns…

different sytems…same effect

Try yourself my young padawan! :lol: :lol:

@Sundance: Be advised! Think twice, post once :wink: (or you’ll see a lot of correcting posts). :slight_smile:

A bit off topic :smiley: , but we are actualy supposed to talk about Dora. The gun was a great thing and was very powerfull, but the thing is that it used so many man power to move, man and put together again.

I can not find any great pictures of the Dora. Can anyone help me wiht a link or pictures please?

Welcome Sundance to the forum.

I do not know alot about guns so I can not say alot about them and would rather do my homework on them before I post something about them and make sure my facts is all right and then post because Sundance I did not do that and got a lesson in guns making a fool out of myself, so learn frm me and do your homework. :lol: :lol:

Henk

Here are some videos

http://web.archive.org/web/20010605062735/www.panzerlexikon.de/mfiles/dora2(mpg4).mpg
http://web.archive.org/web/20010605030600/www.panzerlexikon.de/mfiles/dora.mpg

Thank you mate. Great videos.

Henk

Pictures of Dora:
http://palpatine.chez-alice.fr/Page13/page13.htm (scrolling down)
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1167/dora.html (including Dora firing)

A little picture of Gustav:
http://www.worldwar.nl/secretweapons/secretgerman2.htm (scrolling down)

Edited: It seems that this book is one of the best books on German WW2 artillery.

You realy knows how to get something, I have been searching over the net I could not find any, maybe I am just not as good as you are.

Thank you very much.

Henk

How about the V-3 for power

V-3?
It was not a rocket but a super gun designed as a multi-chambered cannon of 15 cm caliber with a 150-meter long barrel. There was a conventional breech and a pressure chamber at the rear end. Several auxiliary chambers were constructed and arranged at 45 degrees to the main barrel at intervals of about 40 meters. When a shell was fired it passed the auxiliary chambers where additional charges would be fired to produce extra gas to boost the speed of the shell. With all these additional boosts, the shell would leave the muzzle at the super high velocity of about 5,000feet/sec. The shell would continue into the stratosphere, where the thin air offering less resistance would permit the projectile to reach a range of about 175 miles. The greater London area would have been the target of the non-moveable weapon fired from the Calais area.