Fellow researcher is looking for a dresden fire bombing photo of 1945. Must be in the public domain, if possible.
Any ideas where to find this?
I saw some in the book of the polemic writer David Irving. I ll try to found i public domain.
Here I found some, very disturbing by the way, but considering the damage inflicted to the city it could not be in other way.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Dresden/Dresden_gallery/index.html
Those come from the polemic author page, but seems to be authentic in my modest opinion.
Thanks! I’ll pass this on…
No problem.
pretty intense images there. :!:
Pretty interesting video showing Berlin after a british night bombing raid in late 1943. For obvious reasons this newreels was not released to the german public.
it was strictly forbidden for non-officials or civil persons and the punishment in case of doing such a film would habe been hard. german TV-stations show a lot of material these days about the bombings in WW2. there are - interesting - quite a lot of such hidden camera documentations despite the fact that it was pretty dangerous. official material was also made, but never shown, as you mentioned right for very obvious reasons. shot down B-17s or lancasters were more interesting for the propaganda-filmers.
jens
There was TV in nazi germany ? That I didnt know
Yes, there was interestingly enough. I have this in my DVD Collection:
International Historic Films
http://www.ihffilm.com/
http://ihffilm.com/ww2---german-side.html
http://ihffilm.com/telunswashis.html
Television Under The Swastika:
The History of Nazi TelevisionRecently uncovered footage, long buried in East German archives, confirms that television’s first revolution occurred under the Third Reich. From 1935 to 1944, Berlin studios churned out the world’s first regular tv programming, replete with the evening news, street interviews, sports coverage, racial programs, and interviews with Nazi officials. Select audiences, gathered in television parlors across Germany, numbered in the thousands; plans to create a mass viewing public, through the distribution of 10,000 people’s television sets, were upended by World War Two. German technicians achieved remarkable breakthroughs in televising live events, including near instantaneous broadcasts of the 1936 Olympic Games. At the same time, the demand for continuous programming opened up camera opportunities far less controlled, and more candidly revealing, than Third Reich propagandists would have liked (an interview with a bumbling Robert Ley is particularly embarrassing). In its stated mission - to imprint the image of the Führer onto every German heart - Nazi television proved a major disappointment. But its surviving footage - 285 rolls have been found so far offers an intriguing new window onto Hitler’s Germany. Television under the Swastika, drawing liberally from this footage, opens up a surprising chapter in media history.
B&W/Color, 54 minutes, English commentary & subtitles.
German technicians achieved remarkable breakthroughs in televising live events, including near instantaneous broadcasts of the 1936 Olympic Games
Thanks George for the information, I suppose that the number of home TVs werent much in that time :rolleyes:
You’re welcome PK,
No, actually they were set up in TV Parlors and not many in individual homes. Maybe a modern American equivalent would be a sports bar.
The further development and production of television related equipment was curtailed after the outbreak of the war. Resources were needed elsewhere for the German war effort. And television was too candid for the nazis to manipulate as effectively as motion picture films for their propaganda purposes.
TV was very much a pre-war technology, WWII slowed it’s development and production. Without researching, I do believe there was some limited television technology and product available…
Links to some interesting early-TV websites:
Television History - The First 75 Years
http://www.tvhistory.tv/
Pre-1935 American, British, French and Russian Television
http://www.tvhistory.tv/pre-1935.htm
1935-1941 American, British, German, French, Dutch and Russian Television
http://www.tvhistory.tv/1935-1941.htm
Television During World War II
http://www.tvhistory.tv/1942-1945.htm
1942: The United States is engaged in World War-II.
All commercial production of television equipment is banned for the remainder of the war. (April 1942 - August 1945)
NBC’s commercial TV schedule is canceled. However, television is allowed to continue broadcasting on a very limited basis at some stations. In England, however, ALL broadcasting comes to a complete halt, until June 7, 1946.
Early Television Museum
http://www.earlytelevision.org/
The MZTV Museum of Television
http://www.mztv.com/mz.asp
Canada Science and Technology Museum: Television
http://www.sciencetech.technomuses.ca/english/collection/television.cfm
Television (from Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_television
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television
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History of Television
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_television
United States
The first regularly scheduled television service in the United States began on July 2, 1928. The Federal Radio Commission authorized C.F. Jenkins to broadcast from experimental station W3XK in Wheaton, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, D.C. But for at least the first eighteen months, only silhouette images from motion picture film were broadcast.Hugo Gernsback’s New York City radio station WRNY began a regular, if limited, schedule of live television broadcasts on August 14, 1928, using 48-line images. Simultaneously, Gernsback published Television, the world’s first magazine about the medium.
General Electric’s experimental station in Schenectady, New York, on the air sporadically since January 13, 1928, was able to broadcast reflected-light, 48-line images via shortwave as far as Los Angeles, and by September was making four television broadcasts weekly.
CBS’s New York City station W2XAB began broadcasting the first regular seven days a week television schedule on July 21, 1931, with a 60-line electromechanical system. The first broadcast included Mayor Jimmy Walker, the Boswell Sisters, Kate Smith, and George Gershwin. The service ended in February 1933. Don Lee Broadcasting’s station W6XAO in Los Angeles went on the air in December 1931. Using the UHF spectrum, it broadcast a regular schedule of filmed images every day except Sundays and holidays for several years.
By 1935, low-definition electromechanical television broadcasting had ceased in the United States except for a handful of stations run by public universities that continued to 1939. The Federal Communications Commission saw television in the continual flux of development with no consistent technical standards, hence all such stations in the U.S. were granted only experimental and not commercial licenses, hampering television’s economic development. Just as importantly, Philo Farnsworth’s August 1934 demonstration of an all-electronic system at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia pointed out the direction of television’s future.
On June 15, 1936, Don Lee Broadcasting began a month-long demonstration of high definition (240+ line) television in Los Angeles on W6XAO (later KTSL) with a 300-line image from motion picture film. By October, W6XAO was making daily television broadcasts of films. RCA demonstrated in New York City a 343-line electronic television broadcast, with live and film segments, to its licensees on July 7, 1936, and made its first public demonstration to the press on November 6. NBC began regularly scheduled broadcasts in New York on April 30, 1939 with a broadcast of the opening of the 1939 New York World’s Fair. By June 1939, regularly scheduled 441-line electronic television broadcasts were available in New York City and Los Angeles, and by November on General Electric’s station in Schenectady. From May through December 1939, the New York City NBC station (W2XBS) of General Electric broadcast twenty to fifty-eight hours of programming per month, Wednesday through Sunday of each week. The programming was 33% news, 29% drama, and 17% educational programming, with an estimated 2,000 receiving sets by the end of the year, and an estimated audience of five to eight thousand. A remote truck could cover outdoor events from up to 10 miles away from the transmitter, which was located atop the Empire State Building. Coaxial cable was used to cover events at Madison Square Garden. The coverage area for reliable reception was a radius of 40 to 50 miles from the Empire State Building, an area populated by more than 10,000,000 people (Lohr, 1940).
The FCC adopted NTSC television engineering standards on May 2, 1941, calling for 525 lines, 30 frames, with sound carried by frequency modulation. Sets sold since 1939 which were built for slightly lower resolution could still be adjusted to receive the new standard. (Dunlap, p31). The FCC saw television ready for commercial licensing, and the first such licenses were issued to NBC and CBS owned stations in New York on July 1, 1941, followed by Philco’s station in Philadelphia. After the U.S. entry into World War II, the FCC reduced the required minimum air time for commercial television stations from 15 hours per week to 4 hours. Most TV stations suspended broadcasting. On the few that remained, programs included entertainment such as boxing and plays, events at Madison Square Garden, and illustrated war news as well as training for air raid wardens and first aid providers. In 1942, there were 5,000 sets in operation, but production of new TVs, radios, and other broadcasting equipment for civilian purposes was suspended from April 1942 to August 1945 (Dunlap).
Canada
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) adopted the American NTSC 525-line B/W 60 field per second system as its broadcast standard. It began television broadcasting in Canada in September 1952. The first broadcast was on September 6, 1952 from its Montreal, Quebec station CBFT. The premiere broadcast was bilingual, spoken in English and French. Two days later, on September 8, 1952, the Toronto, Ontario station CBLT went on the air. This became the English-speaking flagship station for the country. The CBC’s first privately owned affiliate television station, CKSO in Sudbury, Ontario, launched in October 1953 (at the time, all private stations were expected to affiliate with the CBC, a condition that was relaxed in 1960–61).France
On April 14, 1931, was the first transmission with a thirty-line standard by René Barthélemy. On December 6, 1931, Henri de France created the Compagnie Générale de Télévision (CGT). In December 1932, Bathélemy carried out an experimental program in black and white (definition: 60 lines) one hour per week, “Paris Télévision”, which gradually became daily from early 1933.The first official channel of French television appeared on February 13, 1935, date of the official inauguration of television in France which was broadcast in 60 lines from 8:15 to 8:30 pm. The program was of the actress Béatrice Bretty from the studio of Radio-PTT Vision at 103 rue de Grenelle in Paris. The broadcast had a range of 100 km (62 miles). On November 10, George Mandel, Minister of PTT, inaugurated the first broadcast in 180 lines from the transmitter of the Eiffel tower. On the 18th, Susy Wincker, first announcer since June, carried out a demonstration for the press from 5:30 to 7:30 pm. Broadcasts became regular from January 4, 1937 from 11:00 to 11:30 am and 8:00 to 8:30 pm during the week, and from 5:30 to 7:30 pm on Sundays. In July 1938, a decree defined for three years a standard of 455 lines VHF (whereas three standards are used for the experiments: 441 lines for Gramont, 450 lines for the Compagnie des Compteurs and 455 for Thomson). In 1939, there were about only 200 to 300 individual television sets, some of which were also available in a few public places.
With the entry of France into World War II the same year, broadcasts ceased and the transmitter of the Eiffel tower was sabotaged. On September 3, 1940, French television was seized by the German occupation forces. A technical agreement was signed by the Compagnie des Compteurs and Telefunken, and a financing agreement for the resuming of the service is signed by German Ministry of Post and Radiodiffusion Nationale (Vichy’s radio). On May 7, 1943 at 3:00 evening broadcasts. The first broadcast of Fernsehsender Paris (Paris Télévision) was transmitted from rue Cognac-Jay. These regular broadcasts (5 1/4 hours a day) lasted until August 16, 1944. One thousand 441-line sets, most of which were installed in soldiers’ hospitals, picked up the broadcasts.
In 1944, René Barthélemy developed an 819-line television standard. During the years of occupation, Barthélemy reached 1015 and even 1042 lines. On October 1, 1944, television service resumed after the liberation of Paris. The broadcasts were transmitted from the Cognacq-Jay studios. In October 1945, after repairs, the transmitter of the Eiffel Tower was back in service. On November 20, 1948, Mitterrand decreed a broadcast standard of 819 lines; broadcasting begins at the end of 1949 in this definition. France is the only European country to adopt it (others will choose 625 lines).
Germany
Electromechanical broadcasts began in Germany in 1929, but were without sound until 1934. Network electronic service started on March 22, 1935, on 180 lines using telecine transmission of film, intermediate film system, or cameras using the Nipkow Disk. Transmissions using cameras based on the iconoscope began on January 15, 1936. The Berlin Summer Olympic Games were televised, using both fully electronic iconoscope-based cameras and intermediate film cameras, to Berlin and Hamburg in August 1936. Twenty-eight public television rooms were opened for anybody who did not own a television set. The Germans had a 441-line system on the air in February 1937, and during World War II brought it to France, where they broadcast off the Eiffel Tower. The American Armed Forces Radio Network at the end of World War II, wishing to provide US TV programming to the occupation forces in Germany, used US TV receivers made to operate at 525 lines and 60 fields. US broadcast equipment was modified; they changed the vertical frequency to 50 Hz to avoid power line wiggles, changed the horizontal frequency from 15,750 Hz to 15,625 Hz a 0.5 microsecond change in the length of a line. With this signal, US TV receivers with only an adjustment to the vertical hold control had a 625 line, 50 field scan, which became the German standard.
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History of Television
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_television
Great Britain
The first British television broadcast was made by Baird Television’s electromechanical system over the BBC radio transmitter in September 1929. Baird provided a limited amount of programming five days a week by 1930. On August 22, 1932, BBC launched its own regular service using Baird’s 30-line electromechanical system, continuing until September 11, 1935. On November 2, 1936 the BBC began broadcasting a dual-system service, alternating between Marconi-EMI’s 405-line standard and Baird’s improved 240-line standard, from Alexandra Palace in London, making the BBC Television Service (now BBC One) the world’s first regular high-definition television service. The government, on advice from a special advisory committee, decided that Marconi-EMI’s electronic system gave the superior picture, and the Baird system was dropped in February 1937. TV broadcasts in London were on the air an average of four hours daily from 1936 to 1939. There were 12,000 to 15,000 receivers. Some sets in restaurants or bars might have 100 viewers for sport events (Dunlap, p56).The outbreak of the Second World War caused the BBC service to be suspended on September 1, 1939, resuming from Alexandra Palace on June 7, 1946.The first live broadcast from the European continent was made on 27 August 1950. The first live signal to Britain from the United States was broadcast via the Telstar satellite on 23 July 1962.
Soviet Union (USSR)
The Soviet Union began offering 30-line electromechanical test broadcasts in Moscow on October 31, 1931, and a commercially manufactured television set in 1932. The first experimental transmissions of electronic television took place in Moscow on March 9, 1937, using equipment manufactured and installed by RCA. Regular broadcasting began on December 31, 1938.
Nice links, by the way, some guy uploaded “The soviet paradise” to youtube sometime ago, and it is quite shocking actually. Unfortunately was deleted by copyright issues. :rolleyes:
Thanks PK,
The film that you mentioned:
The Soviet Paradise DVD
http://www.ihffilm.com/22027.html
The Soviet Paradise VHS (NTSC or PAL)
http://www.ihffilm.com/27.html
Looks interesting, I haven’t seen that movie before. Although, I wonder if the shocking conditions depicted in the description were a result of “the Soviet paradise” or was it mostly the wretched aftermath caused by war… maybe a mixture of both.
I think George this is the mixture of the war disaster and Nazy lovely “low race propoganda” that was aimed for the Western oppinion , traditionally anti-russian and anti-any non-western.
The propogandic “masterpises” like that used the same mehtods like they portrayed the “jewish paradise” and ets - to show the group of ill , suffered peoples and tells that this is their life and “paradise”.
Probably so Chevan,
After all, this was a nazi propaganda film.