i was playing CoD2 and some of the guys where having a argument about that the americans never fought side by side during WWII. is there any truth to that or did they
Sure, Operation Market Garden they worked with British troops.
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i was playing CoD2 and some of the guys where having a argument about that the americans never fought side by side with the russians during WWII. is there any truth to that or did they
In the infantry war is true, never was a side by side combat.
In the air war there was cooperative mision but also several engagementes between russian and American aircraft due the poor aircraft recognition capabilities of that time.
Ivan Kozhedub for example claimed 2 P-51 Mustang destroyed in March 1945…the russian ace stated " They attack me…and was forced to defend miself."
ok thanks i apretiate it Panzerknacker
True, Americans and Russians never fought side by side on land, but you overlooked one point - convoys to Murmansk.
“The Armed Guard met its supreme test in the long and dangerous voyages to North Russia. Without doubt there were more hazards in these trips to Murmansk than in any other kind of naval duty. Gales were frequent. Ice fields were a common menace to navigation. Magnetic compasses became completely unreliable. Floating mines were often encountered. Choice of routes was limited. German submarines and surface craft were able to operate from nearby bases [in German-occupied Norway]. German planes could shadow convoys for days and bomb ships from bases within twenty minutes flying time of Murmansk. Before escort [aircraft] carriers were used, only the weather and the guns of the escorts and merchant ships stood in the way of wholesale destruction of every merchant ship which ventured to the relief of the hard-pressed Russians. Convoys battled their way to the approaches of Murmansk and then underwent constant attacks in the harbor as they patiently waited to unload their precious cargoes. Cargo handling facilities were very limited, and the constant bombing of the city was not calculated to improve the situation. The story of the voyages to Murmansk, therefore, is one of almost unbelievable horror, of matchless courage, and of unlimited devotion to duty. There is nothing quite like it in all history. Ships which left the ports of the United States for Russia had about one chance in three of returning prior to the spring of 1943. After that date the odds were much better. Chances of rescue from sinking ships in sub-zero weather were not very good in spite of all efforts to save personnel whenever possible. Even if nothing happened, the long watches in severely cold weather made the trip one of the most trying experiences imaginable. But on most of the trips the Germans were encountered. Young men went to Murmansk in perfect health. They returned tired and nervous from loss of sleep and the sight of men dying all around them. Few men could stand the strain of many trips to Murmansk. They would generally agree that it was the most horrible experience of their lives. Even the return trip was full of danger. Sea power was confronting land based air power under the most trying conditions imaginable. The odds were heavily stacked on the side of the Germans. Yet the convoys, or sometimes remnants of convoys, got through. The life blood of victory never ceased to flow to the Russians. Fire power of merchant ships continually improved. Ship losses did not cease, but they decreased.”
Im Murmansk Harbour american ships constantly fought with massive German air attacks. In this effort they were assisted by soviet AAA on shore and on soviet Navy vessels.
Wounded American Merchant Marine sailors were tended in soviet hospitals in Murmansk.
Can we treat those battles as battle in which “two nations were fighting side by side”?
I think yes.
Here you can learn a bit more about convoys to Russia:
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq104-2.htm
Cheers, 
Lancer44
Thanks for your data, funnily enough Murmask was the harbour where the USA anti-comunist forces landed in 1919 to fend-off the bolshevik. :roll:
Yes! And they had a long way to Archangelsk after.
The world is constantly changing.
Four years ago I had an opportunity to see American Marines and Apache choppers training in Poland near Drawsko.
This training field, presumably the biggest in Central Europe, was before 1989 used by Soviet 3-rd Shock Army which was trained to break through West Germany and France and prevent another Dunkirk for Brits.
The most funny was that very hospitable staff was the same and very much remembered Soviet officers and told many anecdotes about their way of drinking.
Friends become enemies and enemies becomes friends… :roll:
Cheers,
Lancer44
Hmmmmm…wrong location for this post Ostwind. :roll:
:oops:
From the Archive Room: http://www.ww2incolor.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=616&highlight=audie+murphy#616
Joseph Beyrle is believed to be the only soldier to have fought for both the United States and the former Soviet Union during World War II.
His son, John Beyrle, who is U.S. Deputy Ambassador to Russia, has told the Russian weekly AiF that Mr. Beyrle was among the first paratroopers to land in Normandy, France, as part of the 101st Airborne Division’s 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment. The Germans captured him shortly after he landed. He escaped from a POW camp in Poland and joined a Soviet tank unit headed for Berlin. He fought alongside the Soviets for three weeks or so, and they called him “Joe.” After the war, he tried to reestablish contact with anyone of his former comrades-in-arms, but to no avail. Neither was he able to find out the number of the tank unit in which he had served. The only thing he knew for certain was that this unit had been part of the Sixth Guards Regiment, fighting on the First Belarus Front.
Mr Beyrle never made it to Berlin. He got wounded in the leg along the way, and had to be hospitalized. Luckily, the wound was not too serious, and doctors decided he could do without amputation. While he was staying in the hospital, Marshal Georgy Zhukov came over for a visit. After the American recounted his Odyssey, the Soviet marshal furnished him with papers so that he could get to Moscow without being detained by security forces on his way.
Officials at the U.S. Embassy met their fellow countryman with circumspection. According to information provided for them by the Pentagon, he was officially registered as killed in action on June 10, 1944. Yet, against all odds, he made it back to New York on May 8, 1945. And in his home town, in the state of Michigan, it took folks some time to believe his return wasn’t just a happy dream.
Mr. Beyrle lived to an advanced age. He died last December.
Even in the murkiest years of the Cold War era, the man thought of the Soviet Union with warm feelings only. He said he would never forget the kindness and compassion with which people down there had treated him.
This info comes from http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89241