Who can explain me that?,I dont believe if hitler knew,their soldiers were jewish,because,for him,the jews were the worst enemy. i saw that in this book case,by bryan mark rigg [img]http://www.aberdeenbookstore.com/images/hitlersjewsoldier.jpg[/img] ,i heard hitler had jewish blood,but i don
t believe that.
if the nazi army,was about racism,anti jewish,and that,why the jewish wanted to be part of nazi army?.
did you read the book? or did you read the summary? maybe then you would find something. I have never heard of that, and it is quite hard to believe.
Could be about the Jewish soliders that were in the army when hitler came to power. There were many German Jews of WW1 that were stripped of their medals for being a jew. If they were there later in the war they must have been lying about themselves or something. Thats all I can think of…
i doubt they would be lying, after all the german kill your race, why would you fight for germany if you are jews
It seems the best way to answer these questions would be to read the book, The internet cant answer eveything you know.
Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
Working in newly opened archives and reexamining old evidence, historian Bryan Mark Rigg turns up a surprising wrinkle in the history of Nazi Germany: the presence of part-Jewish soldiers not only in the ranks but also in the upper echelons of the German military. One such soldier recalled, “I served because I wanted to prove Hitler’s racial nonsense wrong. I wanted to prove that people of Jewish descent were indeed brave and courageous soldiers.” By Rigg’s estimate, as many as 150,000 soldiers, sailors, and airmen of partial Jewish descent (Mischlinge, in Nazi terminology) served in Adolf Hitler’s forces–some, such as field marshal and war criminal Erhard Milch, placed in high positions by Hitler himself even as he tightened the noose on the Jews of Europe. Rigg considers the role of these men as they negotiated the confusion of the monolithic, racist state in dealing with Germans of partial Jewish descent. “[Their] experience clearly demonstrates the complexity of life in the Third Reich,” writes Rigg. His book sheds light on a difficult subject in the face of certain controversy, and it merits discussion. --Gregory McNamee
From Publishers Weekly
What the Nazis called partial Jews, or mischlinge, served in the Wehrmacht during World War II, often joining to prove their loyalty and becoming decorated soldiers. Rigg, who received a B.A. from Yale in 1996, studied at Cambridge and currently teaches at the online American Military University, estimates their numbers to have been in the range of 150,000. He begins by carefully describing Nazi racial law and recounting the assimilation and military service of “/ Jews” (among other categories) in the German and Austrian states in the two centuries before WWI. Moving on to the Nazi era, Rigg details the exemptions to Aryan law that allowed mischlinge to serve. The extent to which the mischlinge knew of the regime’s true character is a constant theme, and feelings of helplessness in the face of knowledge of the Holocaust are vividly illustrated with numerous examples, such as the mischling soldier who visited Jewish relatives the night before they were deported to an extermination camp not knowing then that “deportation” meant “death.” Interviews with some surviving mischlinge (including former chancellor Helmut Schmidt, who served in the Luftwaffe), along with quotations from memoirs and diaries, help to enliven an otherwise dry, academic style. By 1944, many of the loopholes in the racial purity laws were closed, and many military mischlinge perished in the camps. Those who survived were later often rejected by the Jewish community because of their service in the German armed forces.
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Book Description
On the murderous road to “racial purity” Hitler encountered unexpected detours, largely due to his own crazed views and inconsistent policies regarding Jewish identity. After centuries of Jewish assimilation and intermarriage in German society, he discovered that eliminating Jews from the rest of the population was more difficult than he’d anticipated. As Bryan Mark Rigg shows in this provocative new study, nowhere was that heinous process more fraught with contradiction and confusion than in the German military.
Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or “partial-Jews” (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought–perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high- ranking officers, even generals and admirals.
As Rigg fully documents for the first time, a great many of these men did not even consider themselves Jewish and had embraced the military as a way of life and as devoted patriots eager to serve a revived German nation. In turn, they had been embraced by the Wehrmacht, which prior to Hitler had given little thought to the “race” of these men but which was now forced to look deeply into the ancestry of its soldiers.
The process of investigation and removal, however, was marred by a highly inconsistent application of Nazi law. Numerous “exemptions” were made in order to allow a soldier to stay within the ranks or to spare a soldier’s parent, spouse, or other relative from incarceration or far worse. (Hitler’s own signature can be found on many of these “exemption” orders.) But as the war dragged on, Nazi politics came to trump military logic, even in the face of the Wehrmacht’s growing manpower needs, closing legal loopholes and making it virtually impossible for these soldiers to escape the fate of millions of other victims of the Third Reich.
Based on a deep and wide-ranging research in archival and secondary sources, as well as extensive interviews with more than four hundred Mischlinge and their relatives, Rigg’s study breaks truly new ground in a crowded field and shows from yet another angle the extremely flawed, dishonest, demeaning, and tragic essence of Hitler’s rule.
This book is part of the Modern War Studies series.
From the Back Cover
“Through videotaped interviews, painstaking attention to personnel files, and banal documents not normally consulted by historians, and spurred by a keen sense of personal mission, Rigg has turned up an unexplored and confounding chapter in the history of the Holocaust. The extent of his findings has surprised scholars.”–Warren Hoge, New York Times
“The revelation that Germans of Jewish blood, knowing the Nazi regime for what it was, served Hitler as uniformed members of his armed forces must come as a profound shock. It will surprise even professional historians of the Nazi years.” --John Keegan, author of The Face of Battle
“Startling and unexpected, Rigg’s study conclusively demonstrates the degree of flexibility in German policy toward the Mischlinge, the extent of Hitler’s involvement, and, most importantly, that not all who served in the armed forces were anti-Semitic, even as their service aided the killing process.”–Michael Berenbaum, author of The World Must Know: The History of the Holocaust
“Rigg’s extensive knowledge and the preliminary conclusions drawn from his research impressed me greatly. I firmly believe that his in-depth treatment of the subject of German soldiers of Jewish descent in the Wehrmacht will lead to new perspectives on this portion of 20th century German military history.”-- Helmut Schmidt, Former Chancellor of Germany
“An impressively researched work with important implications for hotly debated questions. Rigg tells some exquisitely poignant stories of individual human experiences that complicate our picture of state and society in the Third Reich.”–Nathan A. Stoltzfus, Florida State University, author of Resistance of the Heart: Intermarriage and the Rosenstrasse Protest in Nazi Germany
“An impressive work filled with interesting stories. . . . By helping us better understand Nazi racial policy at the margins–i.e., its impact on certain members of the German military–Rigg’s study clarifies the central problems of Nazi Jewish policies overall.”–Norman Naimark, Stanford University, author of Fires of Hatred: Ethnic Cleansing in Twentieth-Century Europe
“An illuminating and provocative study that merits a wide readership and is sure to be much discussed.”–Dennis E. Showalter, Colorado College, author of Tannenberg: Clash of Empires
“An outstanding job of research and analysis. Rigg’s book will add a great deal to our understanding of the German military, of the place of Jews and people of Jewish descent in the Nazi state, and of the Holocaust. It forces us to deal with the full, complex range of possible actions and reactions by individuals caught up in the Nazi system.”–Geoffrey P. Megargee, author of Inside Hitler’s High Command
“With the skill of a master detective, Bryan Rigg reveals the surprising and largely unknown story of Germans of Jewish origins in the Nazi military. His work contributes to our understanding of the complexity of faith and identity in the Third Reich.”–Paula E. Hyman, Yale University, author of Gender and Assimilation in Modern Jewish History and The Jews of Modern France
About the Author
Bryan Mark Rigg received his B.A. with honors in history from Yale University in 1996. Yale awarded him the Henry Fellowship for graduate study at Cambridge University, where he received his M.A. in 1997 and Ph.D. in 2002. Currently Professor of History at American Military University, he has served as a volunteer in the Israeli Army and as an officer in the U.S. Marine Corps. His research for this book has been featured in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and London Daily Telegraph.
The thousands of pages of documents and oral testimonies (8mm and VHS video) the author collected for this study have been purchased by the National Military Archive of Germany. The Bryan Mark Rigg Collection is housed in the Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv in Freiburg, Germany.
Also check these links:
http://www.stengerhistorica.com/History/Ehrenrettung/Riggs/Riggs.htm
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html
Very true BC.
The internet seems to have captured peoples’ attention as a source for information and is regarded by many as an oracle, in much the same way as people gave credence to a story by saying, “I read it in the newspaper.”
It is most unfortunate that this blinkered view if the net has inhibited many from doing their own real research, and ultimately may result in the dissemination of so much mis- and disinformation to the extent that people become more polarised than before.
All on this site have seen the consequences of the idea that, “I found it on the Internet so it must be true !”
The result has been censorship and stifling of true debate.
A sad comment on a medium that should enhance knowledge and understanding worldwide…
Remember people, because something is available on the Internet do not infer that it is necessarily true !
True Cuts, but if it wasn’t no Copyright rules and laws, you agree that this book (I mean the whole book) would have been published on the net?
On the other hand that it is the author’s point of view (it is not necessarily true or false).
Remember people, because something is available on the Internet do not infer that it is necessarily true !
And is not necessarily false :lol: :lol:
The Internet is full of craps, we all know, but like in real world there are also truths. You have to know how to search the truths and also to share it.
Hence the way to learn about the role of Jewish Soldiers is not to “ask” what the book says. It is to read the book.
Effectively the question posed by Erwin was “what does this book say?” the only way to answer that is not to ask in this forum. it is to get a copy from a library or Amazon and read it. In that way he will learn things. Internet forums unless substantiated are possibly the worst place for gathering hearsay I can imagine.
[quote=“Dani”]
True Cuts, but if it wasn’t no Copyright rules and laws, you agree that this book (I mean the whole book) would have been published on the net?
On the other hand that it is the author’s point of view (it is not necessarily true or false). [/quote]
No, I’d say if the author wanted to publish it on the net he would have done so, but that probably wouldn’t net him quite as much money or kudos.
Regardless of where the book is published, there is no substiture for reading it oneself.
The book may or may not be the author’s point of view, I cannot comment on that as I’ve not yet read it myself, but it is likely to be an indication of his editing ability if nothing else.
Neither do I know the reference material quoted on the book , however once I get a copy I will be able to make an educated and informed judgement, within the limits of my experience, on whether they are reliable or not.
I imagine that’s a joke as the bold statement says just exactly the same.
True Dani, very true, and as you say the key lies in the ability to sort the wheat from the chaff.
Unfortunately there is a growing number on the net, possibly from amongst the younger and less experienced members of society who take the written word as Gospel.
Real research will normally result in a very good grounding for comment and debate, but this is only attainable when the necessary skills have been learnt.
Once again I stress that blind belief will not support a cohesive argument.
Agree with you.
Neither do I know the reference material quoted on the book , however once I get a copy I will be able to make an educated and informed judgement, within the limits of my experience, on whether they are reliable or not.
Also agree.
Unfortunately there is a growing number on the net, possibly from amongst the younger and less experienced members of society who take the written word as Gospel.
Real research will normally result in a very good grounding for comment and debate, but this is only attainable when the necessary skills have been learnt.
Once again I agree 100% with you.
Anyway, as I know so far this is the first (and only) book about this subject.
thanks for the replies!.
i don`t know,coz that book sold the stock in my closest library :roll: .
lots of thanks dany for the info and links!
i doubt they would be lying, after all the german kill your race, why would you fight for germany if you are jews[/quote]
They would fight to stay alive, some human beings will do anything to stay alive, it’s nature.
If they were only part Jews (1/4 etc) they may have been trying to avoid being taken away.
Also, hindsight is great, they fight for the Nazis and then make out that they were really good guys by saying, hey my gran was jewish.
Makes for a good story then…