Hi
Listering the Wiki i fount the intersting picture of Pablo Picasso: Massacre in Korea
Do somebody know was the real massacre for his picture?
Cheers.
That’s i only found in Wiki:
Artist Pablo Picasso’s painting Massacre in Korea (1951) depicted violence against civilians during the Korean War. By some accounts, killing of civilians by U.S. forces in Shinchun, Hwanghae Province was the motive of the painting.
Wha’t was in Shinchun?
Well now i found something
http://www.iacenter.org/Koreafiles/ktc-report-nk.htm
…Shinchon
The civilian massacre by the U.S. military in Shinchon was particularly extreme in its cruelty. The U.S. set living fire people on fire; buried them alive; cut their ears and noses off; pulled out their eyeballs; skinned them alive; dragged them by their noses; burned their hair, breasts and sexual organs with heated iron; destroyed their five major organs with axes, picks, and shovels; tore their legs and arms apart; sawed through their bodies; drove nails through their heads and backs with their bodies hanging upside down on a tree; and let dogs tear them to pieces. The cruelty of such deeds is simply unimaginable. U.S. forces slaughtered 1,550 civilians in the Shinchon region over the course of three days beginning on October 17, 1950. During their temporary occupation of the region, they mercilessly massacred a total of 35,383 civilians, amounting to one fourth of the regional population.
Oh my god was it the true or not in this article?
NORTH KOREAN PROPAGANDA!
Think this is a load of crap…think this would have been outragous even to the South Koreans. Plus the manner is which it was done would be untypical of US soldiers. I could buy a mass shooting as opposed to these barbarian acts. US forces in Vietnam would have never gone this far. Maybe the occasional crazy but nothing like this.
Oh Gen no problems.
Let it be the propoganda. But question is still? What was in the Shinchon?
Do you know?
And why the “Nothern Korean” propoganda is based on US-site?
Cheers.
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If you look at the main site http://iacenter.org/ you will see that it is
Information, Activism, and Resistance to U.S.
Militarism, War, and Corporate Greed,
Linking with Struggles Against Racism and Oppression
within the United States
So yet another protest group…which im fine with…however im sure they are posting anything they can get there hands on. Classic “dont believe everything you read” and personally I dont believe crap that comes out of N. Korea unless its a missle. If these are true why dont they let some non-biased researchers in to look for evidence of these crimes. Even some of the most stubborn people will say admit to anything when their life is on the line.
Sorry if I seem pissy but I dont trust the protesters (of this nature) anymore than I trust the government. However posting random crap happens all the time from both sides. IMO youll prove this true the same time we find those WMD’s in Iraq.
And one more thing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
Brief list of countries involved in the Korean war…find it hard that no one else mentioned this massacre.
Oh mike i’ve never said i belive this site.
Generally i/m agree with Gen and understand there are a lot of people who ready to write anything for the sensation without any confirmation.
I just have to ask WHY in WIKI this Pablo Picasso artwork mentioned as possible touching to the US army activity in Shinchon.
So i/m simply ask somedoby what was in Shinchon. I have just find this site , nothing more. So could somebody explain for me ( whithout claiming and blaiming) what had going on there?
BTW am i understand you right, you exclude any possibility of US army killing the civilians in N.Korea?
Cheers.
As I understand it, there were a number of cases of the US army shooting civilians during the Korean war. However, they tended to be limited in number and investigated rather than brushed under the carpet.
An example would be the No Gun Ri “incident” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Gun_Ri
One common thread though - nothing like the cruelty claimed in that report. However, Korean soldiers on both sides have been implicated in acts of extreme cruelty. There are a number of documented cases of US PoWs captured during the initial attack down towards Pusan being tied up with barbed wire and used for bayonet practice by North Korean troops and the like. It appears the reason for this is most likely the barbaric way the Koreans were treated by the Japanese in the previous 50 years, leaving the lowest level soldiers with no concept of what we in the west would consider civilized behaviour. The North Koreans did take and hold a number of allied PoWs, but their treatment didn’t even resemble that proscribed by the Geneva convention. Treatment improved - a bit - under the Chinese, but was still pretty bad and a large number of PoWs died due to it.
Yes Gen this is Group of crazy Activists.
And i am not hurry to believe them. But why you easy deny the scale of violence in the N.Korea in 1950-1953.
Sory to notice you but during this war perished about 1.5 millions of Korean civils.The intensivity of bombing the Korean cities by USAF was MUCH more then the Germany in the last period of WW2.
I don’t say it was the US troops in Shinchon, but it COULD BE US-troops.
I am understand it was the common violence of both sides in Korea, but your point to deny any US participation is worry me. Sorry again.
Sorry if I seem pissy but I dont trust the protesters (of this nature) anymore than I trust the government. However posting random crap happens all the time from both sides. IMO youll prove this true the same time we find those WMD’s in Iraq.
I have no wish to repit Iraq thread again. What’s goin on? I just wish to learn what’s happend in Shinchon in 1951?
…find it hard that no one else mentioned this massacre
So what Gen?
Could you to say that if it is not mentioned no more in Wiki it never was ?
Cheers.
Thanks pdf you first who has give any info about.
Now i have read your link and now i understand more.
In 1999 The New York Times reported that in 1997, 30 South Korean survivors and relatives of victims filed a lawsuit that “described a three-day period of killing, saying that American planes had strafed hundreds of refugees who were fleeing from North Korean troops, leaving about 100 people dead. The survivors fled under the bridge, where they said they were pinned by American troops who shot and killed almost all the refugees.” Their suit was rejected on a technicality
Now i understand the reason of power amti-american senses in South Korea.
Befor it was strange for me why in Seul there were a lot of anti-american demonstrants:According “official version” US protected them from N.Korea.But there were a lot of facts violence of US above the South Korean civils.
I don’t wish to blame US troops in cruelty above the civilians, but in fact this violence really was.
Cheers.
There is a whole lot more to it than that going on.
A series of military dictatorships ruled the place for years, with at least the tacit support of the US. It never feels good to know you are depending on someone else for your security, thus there is a national ego thing about getting the US out of the country. There have been a number of very poorly handled accidents in recent years (US military vehicles running over schoolchildren and the like - no question but that they were accidents, but the way the press was handled stirred things up badly). And yes, during the war, quite apart from the (alleged) massacres the civilian population suffered very badly from both sides. The communists killed anyone they thought might be a “class enemy” and conscripted many of the rest at gunpoint. The UN (aka US) forces were quite happy to flatten towns, villages and even cities rather than have to take them the difficult, expensive way with house to house fighting.
On the other hand, South Korea is hardly without those Lenin knew as “useful idiots” who think that but for the US Korea would be reunited in “peace, brotherhood and democracy”, and that the North Koreans are misunderstood. They also want the US to leave, but for their own reasons. Finally, there are those who hate the US simply for what it is, rather than what it has done.
Something of a witches’ brew there really…
There were various massacres of POWs and civilians carried out by North Korean troops, e.g. hill 303, hill 312, Daejeon, and various other towns and cities.
The reference for the picture is probably Daejeon:
IMO…the above has nothing to do with it. The majority of the protest come from people that werent even alive then. The problem is that the S. Korean’s do want peace with the north and a slow reunifacation. But after 55 years the Americans are still there and most feel that they are not helping but hurting the process. Yet alot still want us there for protection. Let just say the north isnt really promoting peace.
Chevan, would you like to buy viagra and other drugs? Send me your email addy, six-hundred thousand rubles, and pictures of your girlfriend, and I’ll let you in on a new economic opportunity in which you’ve won the Dutch lottery…
It seems now i have to laugh 
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Ha ha ha. Very funny Nick.
Well this is most full explanation , thanks pdf.
I have to agree the korean anti-americanism has a deeper reasons.
I read the article where the social poll showed that if in 1996 the 89% of South koreans supported the presents US in Korea but in 2002 just 56% support this idea.
And what’s interesting the mass liking for US had the mostly oldest generation, but the conteporary young people today has mostly irritating feeling of US troops.
The mass anti-americans demonstrations of which joined to 100 000 peoples in streets of South Korean cities has bacame the common political events.
Cheers.
BTW guys if we have begin the politic tells about Korean problems.
I wish to discuss the one question- what’s could happend if US suddenly leave the Korea?
Will the N.Korean attack the South?
And could the South using its own troops effective reflect this treat?
Is the US presents in Korea has to hold Korea only ? Or it need to hold the “China’s horse”?
Have any oppinions gentlemens?
Cheers.
Technically the war isnt over. Just an armistice with the only agreement of status quo ante bellum. However no peace treaty was ever signed.
IMO I think it might help with the North South Peace process. However with the North’s threating stances I seriously doubt that the US will pull out. WW2 gave a Japan a bad name and even worse when they sided with the US on issues concerning the Cold war. Japan would be forced to boost their military…which in many ways they are already doing. Would be silly from a military stance to pull out of S. Korea in the slight chance the North and South might get along. If it doesnt then you have a whole new shit storm and youve lost a strategic stance. 1950 all over again.