Does anybody have a good site /pictures/etc about this variants of the MG 34 because the info I have is a little ambiguous.
For example one source said the the MG 34/41 is a reduced rate of fire MG 34…and the other sources said it have 1100 rof. :evil:
I am only positive that those had shorter barrel and single stage trigger.
Spamming a little to be sure somebody saw this 
Books mate, get more books 
I don’t know of any specific websites that cover this model. But “MG34 - MG42 German Universal Machineguns” by Folke Myrvang has a chapter on them.
Well…books is the ideal thing, but unfortunately not always available.:rolleyes:
Thats the beauty of the internet, it gives specialist authors like our own member Tony Williams an immediate and global audience/market. No longer are they reliant on book shops stocking their work, material that is for the most part too specific for the average shop client.
The people that put in the hard hours of research deserve our patrionage, or they will stop publishing and we would all loose out.
Check out this publisher for an excellent starting point: Collectors Grade Publications I have ordered from this company many books and have always been happy with their service (even if shipping is a little slow to NZ).
Agreed. I will give a look to your link, thanks.
MG 34 and MG 34s emplacements in concrete and steel bunkers.
The quotes muzzle velocity ( 755 mps) is only with the SS ( schweres spitzgeschoss, heavy pointed bullet) ammunition, with the S.m.E and S.m.K it increased between 5 to 10 %.
PK, it was my understanding the use of the “S” designation referred to the use of either the MG 34 or MG 42 on the heavy tripod mounting. “S” being the abbreviation of “Schwer”.
Reduced rof would only be by adjustments to the mechanism.
As I have said on other threads here, the typical rof was 1280 rds per min for the MG42.
It would follow that 1100 rds per min is in fact “reduced” but plainly only by a factor of roughly 10%, for which no actual mechanical adjustment need be made, as a disciplined soldier would control rof to that degree in any case.
Given the above, I’d be inclined to view the “S” as referring to those occasions the tripod is/was employed, thus the “Heavy” designation being used.
Respectful Regards, Uyraell.
Hmm, is possible in regards of the “S” but I ve seen Mg-34 mgs with non-selective trigger and shorter barrel, is that the 34/41 ?
A good point my friend: and in truth I think the answer to MG34/41 is “yes”.
In 1978 I had a very large book in my hands, which detailed the histories of most firearms that had been produced from about 1800 through to 1977. It weighed a good 15kg as a softback, was about 40cm tall, 30cm wide, and 12cm thick.
It was about $120. at the time, and I never bought it: these days it would likely be illegal to even own it, in politically correct and thus backward NZ.
The section on the MG34/MG42 was about 25 pages. From memory the MG34/41 was full auto only, and ran at 1100 rds-per-min, which would tie-in with the figure you mention in your post. Again, from memory very few (comparatively) were manufactured, as they were an interim weapon pending the service introduction of the MG42.
I wish I could recall more, but I hope the above data helps you, PK.
Kind Regards, Uyraell.
Oh, thank you. Is good to clear this things, to me this small details are important as the NASDAQ is for others.:mrgreen:
You’re most welcome, my friend, glad the info helped. 
If I recall more, I’ll post it.
Kind Regards, Uyraell.
Huh? you live in the same NZ I do? The one where you can still own functioning machineguns?
Only if very strict criteria are met, and the person’s life has been under various degrees of microscope.
Regards, Uyraell.
Lucky new zealanders, in here you are put in the microscope just for buying a humble 9 mm pistol.
True, I had to wait till I was 21 before I brought my first automatic weapon; a PPSh-41
Nice Pic you show here, PK.
(As for “humble 9mm” : NZ is so backwards most ordinary citizens can not even purchase a pistol. To be eligible to do so a person has to be a member of a pistol shooting club, go through god alone knows how many biographical history checks etc etc, and come up crystal clean from them, THEN hope to hell some ex wife or girlfriend never had an argument with him, because if he has had any sort of “domestic dispute” THAT can be sufficient for him to be prevented from ever owning any firearm.)
Have to say, the 50-round drum magazine in the above pic surprises me: off-hand I do not recall that those magazines were issued with the MG34/41, though I do recall reading that they were easily converted from mag to belt feed, or vice-versa.
Kind Regards, Uyraell.
it’s pretty apparent that you don’t know half as much as you pretend to. It’s not a 50-round magazine. Take another look at the picture; its a standard belt box as issued to the MG.34 and MG.42. Why the hell would it require conversion to take the standard belt box as used by the MG.34 and MG.42?
Regarding magazines in the German universal MGs; only the MG.34 accepted the 75 round saddle drum magazine and that required a different feed cover. These magazines were considered unsuitable for infantry use and withdrawn from front line service around 1940-1941 although they did remain in use in vehicle mounted MG.34 in limited numbers after that.
Because the MG.34/41 used a different bolt, receiver and top cover it is extremly unlikely that any concession was made for it to use magazines especially if you consider that only 1707 were officially delivered.
“MG34 - MG42 Geman Universal Machineguns” by Folke Myrvang
P.G. 82 - 83
As the troops demanded an even higher rate of fire, modifications were performed in 1938 which brought the MG34 to a cyclic rate of approximately 1,650rpm but the guns were not designed to be exposed to this kind of pounding, which introduced component fatigue during sustained fire.
Since it was initially deemed necessary to keep the MG34 system itself and still increase the cyclic rate, the MG34/41 was introduced, weighing 11kg and with a cyclic rate of approximately 1,200rpm. The higher rate of fire was achieved mostly through a shorter, lighter barrel with a larger muzzle diameter, heavier buffer and a more powerful booster, coupled with a stiffer recoil spring. Three hundred MG34/41s were supplied for troop trials in critical areas on the Eastern Front in 1942.
These short versions of the MG34, the MG34/41 (or MG34s as they are sometimes marked) are depicted in quite a few small arms anthologies. The two versions are virtually identical, all parts being interchangeable, and there is no discernible dimensional differences on the guns.
According to Reinmetall’s own overview from their 1943 booklet, these were developed by them between 1933 and the outbreak of World War II by order of the German Army. From the Rheinmetall booklet we also find that the “S” stands for Schnell (fast) and the MG34/41 is listed as a “fast firing MG”.
I NEVER Claimed great expertise on the topic, NOR pretended thereunto.
Uyraell.