operation drumbeat

in feb of 42 the German navy put together an operation to attack the US east coast. code named ‘drumbeat’. using long range U boats. they attacked US merchant vessels all up and down the US east coast. and were very successful. because the USN did NOT respond. under the command of adm Ernest King [here the city of NY left its peace time lights on and merchants vessels could be seen at night. easy targets.
so why didn’t King respond to the attacks??? in 1940 the brits recovered an enigma machine from a U boat ( U-33 i think). now reading the German military command they received in detail operation drum beat. they passed it on to the USN and King. but King didn’t like nor did he trust the brits. this vital info was ignored. and the slaughter went on. with no response from the USN the U boats saved their torpedo’s by attacking on the surface in daylight. using their deck guns to sink ships. there was a reported incident just off the beach in Jacksonville FLA where an attack was witnessed by bathers. a U boat surfaced a blew up a freighter to the horror if of people ashore. finally it got so bad the media printed the attacks on page one. finally FDR and King decided maybe something should be done. links

[URL=“http://www.uboat.net/ops/drumbeat.htm”]here

[URL=“http://www.subsim.com/books/book_operation_drumbeat.htm”]here

[URL=“http://www.unctv.org/warzone/odrumbeat1.html”]here

[URL=“http://www.uboat.net/technical/enigma_breaking.htm”]here

I saw this years ago i believe it was a national geographic TV show. and man was it riveting. they interviewed a former U boat captain who said he was grateful to King for allowing the attack to continue . his name was Reinhard Hardegen
[URL=“http://www.uboat.net/men/hardegen.htm”]link](http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq36-3.htm)

Admiral Ernest King was a legendary Anglophobe, no doubt. He was almost to the point of complete irrationality (he wanted to ignore Germany and put most US resources into fighting Japan). Although some personalities in the British command like Brooke didn’t always help things. But it was strange that an otherwise sensible, fine Naval leader was so off the mark when it came to prioritizing the Nazi threat.

But I don’t agree that there was no response. The US Navy, USAAC, and the Coast Guard were rapidly overextended and facing essentially a two-front/ocean war and had to project force to North Africa, the Pacific islands, and also supply the build up taking place in Britain. I think that the home front was poorly prepared, but I’m not sure that King deserves all of the blame for that. And there was a sort of militia response as many Americans volunteered to use their boats as armed U-boat hunters. But it took time to develop tactics to counter the experienced U-boat crews. But I don not think they expected the intensity of the coastal Kriegsmarine siege and were probably more worried about troops and supplies being lost en-route to the British Isles…

well acording to the documentary I saw there were sufficient ships for a counter attack. but King refused to allow their release. the cost:

The “Pearl Harbor” of the Atlantic
A few German U-boats were responsible for the sinking of a total of 397 ships in the first six months of 1942. There were 171 ships sunk off the Atlantic Coast from Maine to Florida, 62 sunk in the Gulf of Mexico, and 141 in the Caribbean. A total of 2,403 persons were killed and 1,178 were wounded.

that’s catastrophic.

Feb. - FDR overruled King and allocated 250 aircraft for Atlantic, created 10th Fleet in May 1.
May - Doenitz lost 43 subs, twice the replacement rate; only sank 34 Allied ships in the Atlantic. The turning point in the May 1943 Convoy Battles was the failed attack on convoy ONS-5.
May 24 - Doenitz ordered all subs out of North Atlantic; 45-month campaign came to an end.

so King was sitting on his ass and doing nothing. he should have been charged with dereliction of duty and shot. but he was an FDR favorite.

[source

[URL=“http://www.geocities.com/fort_tilden/uboats.html”]source](http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/ww2Timeline/atlantic.html)

I disagree sir. I’m not saying that King didn’t make some bad calls, but judging him solely by the problems the US had early in the War is a bit of the hindsight syndrome setting in…

There are in fact other factors and reasons in all this, and some notable historians have given other causes:

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_J._King

Noted naval historian Professor Robert W. Love stated that “Operation Drumbeat (or Paukenschlag) off the Atlantic Coast in early 1942 succeeded largely because the U.S. Navy was already committed to other tasks: transatlantic escort-of-convoy operations, defending troop transports, and maintaining powerful, forward-deployed Atlantic Fleet striking forces to prevent a breakout of heavy German surface forces. Navy leaders, especially Admiral King, were unwilling to risk troop shipping to provide escorts for coastal merchant shipping. Unscheduled, emergency deployments of Army units also created disruptions to navy plans, as did other occasional unexpected tasks. Contrary to the traditional historiography, neither Admiral King’s unproven yet widely alleged Anglophobia, an equally undocumented navy reluctance to accept British advice, nor a preference for another strategy caused the delay in the inauguration of costal escort-of-convoy operations……The delay was due to a shortage of escorts, and that resulted from understandably conflicting priorities, a state of affairs that dictated all Allied strategy until 1944.”[27]

The first part of the Wiki link addresses some of what you say, but I think things just were more difficult for a nation rushed into War largely unprepared…

The same link also states that King attempted to use Coast Guard cutters to hunt U-Boats (which failed because the USCG had made the OPSEC sin of establishing a patrol pattern that the Germans could just simply synchronize their operations too) and he urged his captains to aggressively hunt them even before Pearl Harbor (the USN was waging a virtual secret war with the Kriegsmarine starting in late 1940). And as far as being an FDR favorite, well, read Roosevelt’s quote about him in that article. :smiley:

While he was lax and callous at times, he also had an organizational ability that helped build the USN to its wartime glory. You have to take the bad with the good…

Wiki I found out, the hard way, is not the most reliable source. but it does claim King had something called “Anglophobia”. which Wiki defines as:

Anglophobia (from Latin Anglus “English” + Ancient Greek φόβος -phobos, “fear”) is a hatred or fear of the English or English culture; its antonym is anglophilia.[1]

which explains the reason he ignored the ‘drumbeat’ warning from the brits. which gave the time and date of the attack. positions of U boats. everything in detail. he hated the English. the wrong man at the wrong time and wrong place in history. at the very least the merchant Navy should have been warned. wish i could find this documentary. it clearly stated escort vessals were kept in port on Kings orders.

Yes. But they’ve gotten much better. In fact, they have a legion of “bots” that patrol the site and prevent random entries. On major topics such as WWII and the like, I’ve found them to be generally reliable with entries by actual history buffs using valid sources…

but it does claim King had something called “Anglophobia”. which Wiki defines as:

I know. I heard this in the 1990s when I saw a big PBS documentary on the U-boat war (I think, a lot of beer went down then, so…:))

But, the “new histories” have him pegged not so much as an “Anglophobe” but as a cantankerous old bastard that pretty much disliked everybody (except for beautiful women) equally…

It’s not that simple, it never is. If there is one thing I’ve learned in my recent re-immersion in WWII history, it’s that the often accepted generalizations of various characters in the conflict are often too simplistic and that people are often cast as villains by others seeking to hide their own incompetence and bad ideas. If you’re going to blame King for the losses of merchant shipping along the US coast in the first half of 1942, then you better give him credit for helping to build one of the greatest naval powers the world had ever seen in 1940-1947…

If you read the Wiki link, they cite a newer US Navy historian that goes against the grain and I agree. I actually think that the source of his supposed “Anglophobia” was his personal, and reciprocated, dislike of Churchill’s chief Military adviser and strategist (the sort of British counterpart of Gen. George C. Marshall) in Field Marshal Alan Brooke. I also think you might want to pick up both of Rick Atkins excellent, recent accounts entitled “An Army at Dawn” and “Day of Battle” in which he recounts much of the haggling that took place between the Allied commands.

But I think this in no way effected his judgement as to defending against the U-boats. He considered using convoys, but felt that there were too few escort vessels available (possibly wrongly albeit) and that the convoys would simply be a bigger target.

I think you’re simply failing to appreciate the scale and scope of the US Navy’s early wartime commitments.

which explains the reason he ignored the ‘drumbeat’ warning from the brits. which gave the time and date of the attack. positions of U boats. everything in detail.

This is patently false! They Enigma code was only partially broken, and in any case, the U-Boats captains were operating largely independently and on their own initiative…

Otherwise, they would not have been able to avoid the patrols of the US Coast Guard cutters…

he hated the English.

Yes, but apparently he also hated most Americans that weren’t wearing a dress. Especially certain members of the US Army, like Gen. Douglas MacArthur, even though he agreed in principle that the War in the Pacific needed more attention than it was getting…

the wrong man at the wrong time and wrong place in history.

Then who? If you want to eliminate all the US officers that didn’t like the Brits, or felt slighted by them, than you’re eliminating almost everyone…

I honestly think that while he wasn’t perfect, few could have done any better. he was chief of a divided naval force that was overextended.

…at the very least the merchant Navy should have been warned. wish i could find this documentary. it clearly stated escort vessals were kept in port on Kings orders.

Yes, perhaps. But let’s not forget that it’s not just Allied “incompetence,” but German skill and cunning that allowed them to have a second “happy times.” The U-boat commanders and crews were the cream of the German war machine. The elite. They gave the British hell prior to the US entry into the War, and they also sank one or two US Navy destroyers even before Pearl Harbor. Having a destroyer or cutter did not mean an automatic U-boat sinking, they were targets too, and ones that were much needed. It wasn’t until 1943 that the Allied technical superiority in anti-submarine warfare really began to show, and that there were enough ships and aircraft to overcome losses, patrol, etc…

sorry. im not buying any of it. he was incompetent boob who should have been shot. period.

Then we shall agree to disagree…

And he should have been either shot or promoted! who knows which? :smiley:

yeah who REALLY knows for sure??? a lot of the stuff you brought in I agree with.