Reported Post by kamehouse

[kamehouse]

kamehouse has reported a post.

Reason:

The latest in the “hate post” from forum member Uyraell.
Again no warning that I know of has been given although several forum rules has been broken.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4871
If this member has so much issues with France,he should take it elsewhere.
Myself ,I found it hard to post anymore as I just don’t want to respond to some baiting post.
I am confident the moderator team will take necessary action regarding these kind of posts(already too many in my opinion).
Sorry for the extra work but I can’t simply say nothing in these unjustifed attacks.
Best regards,
kamehouse

Post: WW2 Land Mines in North Africa.
Forum: General WWII Discussion
Assigned Moderators: pdf27, George Eller, Nickdfresh, Rising Sun*, flamethrowerguy

Posted by: Uyraell
Original Content:

@Schuultz

They might even want to consider adding a couple more…

With the Pluton tracked missile system in place, France doesn’t need to add more defenses, since her strategy is to make Germany impassable by tactical nuclear strikes with the Plutons: thus turning Germany into denied ground, and a nuclear wasteland as a byproduct. This is entirely within the bounds of the usual French conduct towards France’s Allies.

As there is unlikely to be an attack from any other direction than east, France has little need to worry. After all: apart from loony Muslim Religious leaders, assorted deposed monarchs, and Muslim extremists seeking a base or refuge, no-one wants the place.

Regards, Uyraell.

[Rising_Sun]

I still think kamehouse is too bloody sensitive, but he has made a good contribution to the board and it would be a pity to lose him because of failure to respond to his complaint.

I’d suggest a gentle mod rebuke to Uyraell by PM and a mod PM to kamehouse telling him that Uyraell has been rebuked by PM.

Hopefully that avoids getting Uyraell offside also, as he has made a good contribution as well and clearly has a lot of knowledge. It would be a pity to lose him as well.

I’m probably not the mod to do it as I posted about opposition down here to the French as a result of their nuclear testing in the Pacific etc in the thread kamehouse previously reported. Kamehouse might not see me as impartial (possibly because I’m not. )

[pdf27]

I can do it this evening if nobody else does it beforehand. Personally, I think Uryaell is being a bit of a prat but not actually breaking the forum rules. Certainly his comments about France in the two reported posts are long on opinion and almost completely devoid of truth (he can’t even spell Foch correctly!).
And yes, Kamehouse is being WAY too sensitive…

[Rising_Sun]

@pdf27

I can do it this evening if nobody else does it beforehand. Personally, I think Uryaell is being a bit of a prat but not actually breaking the forum rules. Certainly his comments about France in the two reported posts are long on opinion and almost completely devoid of truth (he can’t even spell Foch correctly!).
And yes, Kamehouse is being WAY too sensitive…

Looks like you’ve been elected, by default. Or maybe just general lack of interest.

As to the Foch mispelling, it might be a two steps to the left, two the the right problem. On a QWERTY keyboard, check out two to the left of O and two to the right of H. QED.

[Nickdfresh]

I sent Kamehouse a message saying his complaint would be addressed…

I’m probably not the best one to address it though, since I’ve gotten a bit pissy with Ury before…

[Nickdfresh]

BTW, is it me or is Uyreall on a necro-posting binge?

[Rising_Sun]

@Nickdfresh

I sent Kamehouse a message saying his complaint would be addressed…

In light of your post, I sent him a PM to the same effect.

A bit of mod activity will make him feel that his complaint is being dealt with, as it will be.

[Rising_Sun]

@Nickdfresh

BTW, is it me or is Uyreall on a necro-posting binge?

No, he’s just lonely.

[flamethrowerguy]

Both are valuable members in my opinion, we shouldn’t allow to let this escalate. Uyraell’s decree on France was a bit harsh for my taste but still far away from simple trolling.

[pdf27]

Right, PM’d the following to Kamehouse:

@Me!

Hi,

The Mods have reviewed the posts you reported, and the consensus is that while Uryaell is being distinctly tactless and failing to back up his statements, you are being way too sensitive yourself. His posts are within the rules of debate on the forum, and as such no formal action will be taken. The appropriate response is for you to come out with suitable counter-arguments, not for the mods to intervene. As weak and feeble as his comments are, it really should not be hard. He can’t even spell Foch correctly!
I’ll send him a PM telling him to wind his neck in and generally start supporting his comments with facts, but this won’t go any futher than that.

pdf27
Moderator

[pdf27]

And the other PM…

@Me Again

Hi,
We’ve had a complaint from another member about your attitude and postings relating to the French. The mods have reviewed the reported posts and come to the following conclusions:

1. The posts in question are within the site rules, and the original complainant was being excessively sensitive.
2. You really, really need to work on your debating style. Supporting evidence is thin on the ground where it exists at all, and your style is somewhat abrasive - hence the complaint from one of our more sensitive members.

Oh, and you should probably stop necroposting - if a thread has been dormant for six months or a year, it is best left to die…

This PM should NOT be construed as a warning (formal or informal), just some advice to wind your neck in a little.

pdf27
Moderator

[pdf27]

Replies have come in from both of them:

@kamehouse

Hi Paul,
somehow I knew this would be the outcome of my complaint.
His statements are really hurtfull and I thought wishing that my country should have stayed a German province is something that would have broken the rules concerning xenophobism and hatefull post.
Anyway I have to respect the moderator’s team decision and do not wish to argue your views on the matter.
As a result of this decision ,I do not feel comfortable posting anymore in this forum.
Best regards,
k

@Uyraell

Hello, and firstly Thank You for the very polite PM.

I’ll deal with sources first.
I at one point had a very extensive collection, several hundred publications. That was illegally disposed of by my then de-facto wife. To my fortune, I had read most of it.
Often in a thread, the information I cite (where not from personal recountings of participants to me) is from data within said lost collection.

As to my debating style.
I do try to be reasonable civil wthin it, and certainly try to avoid matters becoming “personalised” between another contributor and myself.
As evidence, the “Fav FW 1990 variant” and the P39 threads.

Granted, I can, with a great deal of effort ressurrect some data from other sources in my possession, and can cite book titles as references where such still exist in my possession.
However, much by way of contribution in this forum is necessarily personal opinion, or based thereon.

As you suggested, in no way did I take your PM to me to be a “Warning” in the formal sense.
Rather, I took it as being a friendly note,
a friendly advisory.

All in all, I very greatly enjoy this forum, and being a member here: there are some really knowledgable folk among the contributors.

Warm and Kind Regards, pdf27, Uyraell (Mark, in real).

@Uyraell

Hello, pdf27.

I realised I had forgotten to address the necroposting topic.

Was a little unsure, to be honest, “where the line was”. For example, having encountered Claves beautiful portrayals of many aircraft, I fel moved to post, and couldn’t quite see the harm in so doing, as , even though the threads were in some cases elderly, they were also the first times I had seen such works.

Textual posts on the other hand, are things I might find at a time, and know a little about.
I had perhaps not realised some cases were/are regarded as necroposting, it being that there does exist a note about restoring threads to active if a Moderator is asked to do so. I felt the occassional post to an old thread was within similar general spirit.

If that is erroneous on my part, I thus Apologise forthwith, and shall pay more attention to the dates of inception of threads in future.

Warm and Kind Regards, Uyraell.

Shame about Kamehouse, but I don’t think we can change the rules just to keep one member happy.

[Rising_Sun]

@pdf27

Shame about Kamehouse, but I don’t think we can change the rules just to keep one member happy.

Agreed.

I would have liked to have kept him as a poster, but if he’s that bloody sensitive about France it was going to end like this sooner or later and no amount of changing rules to accommodate him was going to avoid that end.

Conversely, Uyraell’s response was about right.

A pity kamehouse wasn’t similarly robust and understanding about how the board works.

[flamethrowerguy]

It’s a pity since we’re not thrice blessed with French after all…