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I’m starting to get a whiff of neo-Nazi here. Can you guys read the thread and give me a second opinion?
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Posted by: Ivaylo
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Irrelevant - he bore command responsibility for the Malmedy Massacre, and was convicted as such. That’s what gave him his life sentence from Nuremberg. Additionally, he served a short period in jail postwar relating to the murder of six SA men in 1934. It may very well be that he was the trigger-man, but I can’t find any court records to examine.
Utter Rubbish. Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler, for instance, was involved in the murder of 80 British PoWs in 1940. They went on to behave extremely badly in in Russia, on one occasion (at Taganrog) massacring 4,000 Soviet PoWs - but I should point out that mistreatment and murder of PoWs was common behaviour for this division (and indeed much of the German Army) on the Eastern Front at this time. Later, the same division would go on to murder US PoWs after the Battle of the Bulge. These aren’t the misdeeds of individuals (which would have been punished severely by the chain of command) but part of a culture which encouraged such behaviour towards enemies. Finally, if you still think the Einsatzgruppen were so very different from the Waffen SS, read up on the 36th Waffen Grenadier division. Belarus was depopulated by roughly a third during WW2 due to the activities of units such as this.
Right, you’re either a complete moron or a lying neo-Nazi. Which is it? Rising Sun* posts such stuff all the time (including about crimes committed by the Western allies which were hushed up during the war), and nobody objects.
The issue was debated at some length at Nuremberg, and the SS was held to be a criminal organisation while the Wehrmacht was not. There are several nuances to this however - for instance the Commisar Order was very spottily carried out by the Wehrmacht, although some units did with enthusiasm. So there is a case to be made that all members of some units were criminals.
That doesn’t make sense. However, I should point out that several US and UK troops have been arrested, tried and convicted by both Military and Civil courts for war crimes of various sorts committed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Nuremberg is a farce law process and you deeply know it Thanks for calling me moron and neo-nazi if i have to be such to show the complete truth yes i will be neo-nazi and moron thanks a lot .And no one objected by the things that guy or girl showed about allied crimes because there WERE ALLIED CRIMES as well as there were AXIS crimes . and Yes LSAH was involved as well as Dietrich as commander but that doesn’t mean that the whole LSAH was such because i am sure there were soldiers who didn’t pull the trigger , what i mean to say that in law there is also a personal responsibility . So before to say some organisation is part as whole of crime you have to be sure that EVERYBODY from the first to the last is such . In police there are good cops and bad ones that doesn’t make the whole police corrupt or ?
Einsatzgruppen was part of SS too but not part of any division whatever they were the hitmans behind the front lines doing the dirty job and when there were not enough man there was order for more volunteers to do the job and when there weren’t simply a command was given ( in the last one responsible is the commander not me if i am a soldier , in the others responsible are the volunteers as well the commander excluding anyone who didn’t take part in it )
Also we are talking about WW2 not about war in Afganistan in WW2 there were NO courts for ALLIES and not even one was put in jail for any doing (Meaning all they done on the eastern and western front was RIGHT and on code of war - which is a LIE in the Eastern Front expecially ) and also say something about NKVD our "allies " don’t say it’s rubbish and pointless because in that way you don’t say the whole truth . Also units like Hohenstaufen division didn’t done any war crimes is because they are part of SS make them criminals and if in what ?