Reported Post by pdf27

[pdf27]

pdf27 has reported a post.

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I’m starting to get very annoyed with this guy - “these figures with a given source must be lies because they don’t fit with my preconceived world view”. No action yet, but I’m starting to wonder if he isn’t pushing some sort of political agenda. That or he’s terminally stupid!

Post: Victor’s injustice
Forum: General WWII Discussion
Assigned Moderators: pdf27, George Eller, Nickdfresh, Rising Sun*, flamethrowerguy

Posted by: kurt
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@pdf27

Ahem. Directive was issued on the 12th of January 1945, and the raid was on the 13th of February 1945. That’s about right for the planning cycle of the time, and indeed suggests that the Dresden raid was one of the first in support of this new directive. As for lacking a war industry, the following armoured vehicles were built in 1945 (source is Wiki because I’m lazy this morning - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_armored_fighting_vehicle_production_during_World_War_II )

                           Pre-war	1939	1940	1941	1942	1943	1944   1945	Wartime Total
Panzer I 	            1,893	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1,893
Panzer II	            1,223	15	99	265	848	803	151	-	2,181	3,404
Panzer 38(t)	            78	153	367	678	652	1,008	2,356	1,335	6,549	6,627
Panzer III	            98	157	1,054	2,213	2,958	5,435	4,752	1,136	16,311	16,409
Panzer IV	            211	45	268	467	994	3,822	6,625	1,090	13,311	13,522
Panzer V Panther	-	-	-	-	-	1,849	4,003	705	6,557	6,557
Panzer VI H Tiger I	-	-	-	-	78	649	641	-	1,368	1,368
Panzer VI B Tiger II	-	-	-	-	-	1	428	140	569	569
Elefant	                        -	-	-	-	-	90	-	-	90	90
Total	                        3,503	370	1,788	3,623	5,530	13,657	18,956	4,406	46,936	50,439

That’s roughly a quarter of the figures for 1944 - or the same as the figures for 1942! Allowing for the fact that Germany surrendered early in May and large chunks were overrun before then gives an equivalent figure close to the 1943 value - making the claim that there was “no German war industry by that time” risible

617 squadron were the most highly trained in Bomber Command, and 8 out of 19 were shot down or crashed during the raid. That’s utterly unsustainable - the crew had a life expectancy of 2-3 sorties. That makes the only more dangerous job in the war that of a Kamikaze pilot! So yes, accuracy was possible, but not practical. For comparison, remember that early in the war both Bomber Command and the Luftwaffe had trouble hitting the right country.

Those figures are risible, are wiki trying to tell us that Germany produced more in 4 months, during 1945 with it’s territory devastated for air raids than 12 month in 1942, get a better source, maybe those were Goebbels’s figures.

It was needed 14 hours of firestorm to destroy a rail junction, yeah right, like burning down a house to kill a mouse.

[Rising_Sun]

He’s clearly irrationally antagonistic to the Soviets, but coming from Bulgaria that’s understandable.

Just being irrational is a national characteristic in Bulgaria, so it’s not really his fault.

Although I concede that he is quite possibly terminally stupid as well.

Which is another Bulgarian national characteristic.

But he’s generating a bit of a vigorous debate with some informed responses which add to knowledge, so I think it’s worth keeping him around.

[flamethrowerguy]

@Rising_Sun

He’s clearly irrationally antagonistic to the Soviets, but coming from Bulgaria that’s understandable.

Just being irrational is a national characteristic in Bulgaria, so it’s not really his fault.

Although I concede that he is quite possibly terminally stupid as well.

Which is another Bulgarian national characteristic.

But he’s generating a bit of a vigorous debate with some informed responses which add to knowledge, so I think it’s worth keeping him around.

Uhm, RS, you’re mixing up the subjects…

[Nickdfresh]

Iyaho (or whatever his username is) is from Bulgaria.

Kurt is from Ecuador, but I suspect he has some extreme rightest sympathies…