Skylab Part Deux!

AP Interview: Military on alert in case dead satellite hits US

By LOLITA C. BALDOR, The Associated Press
2008-01-30 00:59:57.0
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WASHINGTON -

The U.S. military is developing contingency plans to deal with the possibility that a large spy satellite expected to fall to Earth in late February or early March could hit North America.

Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, who heads U.S. Northern Command in Colorado Springs, Colo., told The Associated Press on Tuesday that the size of the satellite suggests that some number of pieces will not burn up as the orbiting vehicle re-enters the Earth’s atmosphere and will hit the ground.

“We’re aware that this satellite is out there,” Renuart said. “We’re aware it is a fairly substantial size. And we know there is at least some percentage that it could land on ground as opposed to in the water.”

A U.S. official confirmed that the spy satellite, which lost power and no longer can be controlled, was launched in December 2006 and could weigh as much as 10,000 pounds. It carried a sophisticated and secret imaging sensor but the satellite’s central computer failed shortly after launch.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the information is classified as secret, said the satellite is designated by the military as US 193, but it never reached its final orbit and the Pentagon declared it a total loss in early 2007.

Renuart added that, “As it looks like it might re-enter into the North American area,” then the U.S. military along with the Homeland Security Department and the Federal Emergency Management Agency will either have to deal with the impact or assist Canadian or Mexican authorities.

Military agencies, he said, are doing an analysis to determine which pieces most likely would survive re-entry. But he cautioned that officials won’t have much detail on where or when it will crash until it begins to move through the atmosphere and break up.

Renuart added that there does not as yet appear to be much concern about sensitive technologies on the satellite falling into enemy hands.

“I’m not aware that we have a security issue,” he said. “It’s really just a big thing falling on the ground that we want to make sure we’re prepared for.”

The satellite includes some small engines that contain a toxic chemical called hydrazine - which is rocket fuel. But Renuart said they are not large booster engines with substantial amounts of fuel.

Initial estimates were that the satellite would take years to degrade and re-enter the atmosphere.

Video images of the satellite captured by John Locker, a British amateur satellite watcher, show it to be about 13 feet to 16.5 feet across. Locker calculated its size with data on its altitude and location provided by other amateur satellite watchers, using the International Space Station as a yardstick.

Satellite watchers - a worldwide network of hobbyists who track satellites for fun - have been plotting the satellite’s degradation for a year. They estimate it is now at an altitude of about 173 miles, and Locker believes it is dropping about 1,640 feet a day.

Where it lands will be difficult to predict until the satellite falls to about 59 miles above the Earth and enters the atmosphere. It will then begin to burn up, with flares visible from the ground, said Ted Molczan, a Canadian satellite tracker. From that point on, he said, it will take about 30 minutes to fall.

In the past 50 years of monitoring space, 17,000 manmade objects have re-entered the Earth’s atmosphere.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1188767~AP_Interview__Military_on_alert_in_case_dead_satellite_hits_US.html

Associated Press writer Pamela Hess contributed to this report.


When it does come down, and the big chunks are found, look to ebay, you’ll find them listed.I recall that sky-lab parts were pretty popular too. landing in Austrailia (?) not certain, but lots of parts were recovered, and brought fair money at sale. I have seen a few of the bits, and truthfully, one could take a torch to some plumbing parts, and surplus junk, and it would be difficult to tell from the real parts…(No, I am not suggesting anything,)

Yup, Sky Lab fell into the outback…

SO I may be in for some cool compensation if this thing lands on my house then? If it kills me im definitely suing…

You would get more from ebay than the lawsuit would bring, but then there is the Vat. Just as long as it doesnt hit a distillery, and we dont want it troubling the Haggis herds,

This would be the monster of blue ice!!!

On a serious note, can’t the US smash this thing up before it begins reentry?

if it was deemed needful, there would be little trouble in sending a missile up to blow it up, but if the structure is too substantial, a missile wont be enough to break it up into enough small pieces to ensure a total burn up. Add to that, the possible presence of toxic, or radioactive compounds utilized by the thing that would be loosed upon the atmosphere with such an explosion.just wear protective gear during the descent, and you’ll be fine…

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Well, it looks as though we all might be in for a show, the Gov. has said it would attempt a shoot down of the satellite, by a conventional missile, the first attempt to be made by the Navy. Although the official line is because of potential threats of toxic fuel compounds,and bits crashing down on populated areas, I think that they are just making sure nothing of the certainly classified technology aboard will be salvageable.

The hit it directly this morning using a Navy IM-3(?) SAM… I guess the fuel cell detonated. But the speculation I’ve heard (in an interesting debate on PBS’ Newshour last night) was that neither the fuel cell, nor the survival of sophisticated technology, were a real threat as both had almost zero chance of making it through reentry. It was simply a test and demonstration of US satellite kill technology.

That is what was wanted here, aside from guaranteeing total destruction of the spy tech stuff, and the fuel, it was a good training scenario for the anti missile program.
I think the news folks said it was an SM-2 missile,(modified in some classified way) but I wasnt listening too closely, (tankers ears) so it could have been a bottle rocket…:slight_smile:
The footage showed quite a bang tho, it was a good hit.Now we have to get some bits of it to land in the back gardens so we can sell them on ebay.