Suicide attack

japanese planes would send to crash on carrier to immobilize it, usually the plane would look for elevator to crash on so planes cannot be lifted to the runway. well, i have a better idea, every time the japanese send out planes for mission like that, they onlly send one per one warship, what if they send 5 per battleship, it might actually sunk some of the battleship or even carrier, or maybe have planes to escort bombers, and use bombers to crash on warship and after that, the escort plane can sarafice themselves too

The problem is that a lot of the suicide planes disintegrated due to AA fire before they even reached the ships.

maybe if they attacked in groups instead of one per warship, at least one of the aircraft might able to slip through the defense and boom!
but instead of asking raw pilot to do something like that, would that be possible to give them a crash course on bombing boats, so they might have some chance of returning and gain experience?

I don’t think you quite understand how much anti aircraft fire was pumped out of a single carrier. The entire sky would be filled with anti aircraft fire and the shells were “smart” and would explode when near the target.

There’s a video clip of compiled history channel footage made by a guy named Nero111 that shows pacific air war in ww2 and kamikazes.

Click Here for the video

And considering that carriers would travel in convoys, even if the kamikaze planes were to travel in groups (which they did) there would be much more anti aircraft guns than actual aircraft. Also planes on the carriers would be scrambled to intercept.

The one way that would be a somewhat effective kamikaze tactic was if the plane were to line themselves up with the deck of the carrier because the anti aircraft guns would have more difficulty aiming at that angle and then come from a high and fast angle. But because the ships would travel in convoys the chance of the plane surviving would be low due to the fact that there would be another carrier with more aa guns aiming directly at the plane. And if the plane was to say a zero, it probably wouldn’t be able to sustain a steep dive from a high altitude before the speed broke its wings off.

you are right, i dont really understand it, thanks for explaining it, no sarcastic involved :stuck_out_tongue:
but how can bullets be smart? i dont follow how it works? thanks for explaining that in advance too

One of the main problems when a kamakazi hit an american aircraft carrier is that the deck was made of wood as opposed to the metal/concrete decks of the British carriers. The Americans used wood to help with mass production. They never really anticpated the Japanese would use such a tactic. After the employment of this tactic started all you could do was load the carriers with more and more AA guns. And support them with more escorts.

The aa bullets were “smart” because instead of exploding at a certain distance or time they would explode when they detected an aircraft near it. So the aa shell would go flying, it would reach a plane and explode. This would throw shrapnel from the exterior of the shell at the plane and the shrapnel could go into the cockpit, the fuel tank, the engine…etc. Made it effective against planes.

The aa bullets were “smart” because instead of exploding at a certain distance or time they would explode when they detected an aircraft near it. So the aa shell would go flying, it would reach a plane and explode. This would throw shrapnel from the exterior of the shell at the plane and the shrapnel could go into the cockpit, the fuel tank, the engine…etc. Made it effective against planes.[/quote]
yup, i know that when you first explain it, the thing i wanna know is what gives the bullet the ability to detect aircraft near by it? thanks for explaining again

I don’t know how the shell detected the aircraft for sure but I think I heard somewhere it had something to do with the shell getting in the aircraft’s magnetic range and the magnet would sense the aircraft and explode but I’m not sure on that.

If you really want to know, you can google it :wink:

That makes sense, I guess their are alot of magnetic stuff in planes. It just has to be stronger that the earths magnetic field.

How proximity fuses work:

here

Yet despite this the US lost very few carriers to Kamikaze attacks (the USS Franklin is about the only one I’m aware of), and the wooden decks were relatively easy to repair. Every single one of the British armoured carriers that were hit at some point had to be scrapped as constructive total losses after the war due to cumulative damage. The same was not true for the US carriers.

Oh, and proximity fuses effectively had a baby radar set in the nose. BDL’s link is a rather good explanation of how they work and were developed.

First, most of the stuff the AA threw up from carriers was pure AA. proximity fuses down to 20mm werent that common.

2nd, there were something in the region of 3-4000 Kamikaze. Most of them attacked the outer screen of the task force which was 10-20 miles from the carriers.

The carriers using radar also set up CAP in the areas the kamikazes were coming from. These shot down a lot.

It is true that british carriers having a metal deck suffered a lot less. Simply pushing off wrecks that attacked. Still, the US carriers were more numerous and carried more aircraft and no-one could have forseen the kamikaze.

I remember reading about this variant on the kamikaze many years ago.
Most of the pilots of the “okha” were around 16 years old, middle class and well educated.
The Japanese symbolism seems to have been part of the appeal to these boys; the kamikaze, or divine wind had been the name given to the storms which wrecked the fleet poised to invade Japan in the 13th Century.
Okha, as the text explains, means cherry blossom, a longtime symbol of the combination of beauty and brevity of life.

The pilots of the Cherry Blossom Squadrons trained to guide ohka rocket-powered glider bombs into American ships in the last year of World War II. Ohka means “cherry blossom” in Japanese, and each ohka weapon had a cherry blossom painted on each side of its nose, which contained 2,800 pounds of explosives. The mother planes, Mitsubishi Type 1 (Betty) bombers, carried one ohka each to within a few miles of a target before being released, and Zero fighters served as escorts to protect the mother planes. American fighters destroyed most of the mother planes before the ohka weapons could be released, so the rocket-propelled human bombs inflicted little damage on American ships near Okinawa. Over 50 ohka pilots and about 320 pilots and crewmen of the mother planes lost their lives during the war

A tragic waste of young life to no purpose.

http://wgordon.web.wesleyan.edu/kamikaze/books/general/hagoromo/

maybe if they attacked in groups instead of one per warship, at least one of the aircraft might able to slip through the defense and boom!
but instead of asking raw pilot to do something like that, would that be possible to give them a crash course on bombing boats, so they might have some chance of returning and gain experience?[/quote]

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