Cheven, what’s your beef with “American” Nazis then, you seem to have much in common with them. It’s a pretty interesting contradiction…
It’s pretty funny that you started a thread indicting American Nazi organizations, yet you cite the same “Jews control the media” myths as most contemporary Nazi orgs., which have often cited David Irving as the “true” Holocaust historian and had him as a speaker.
Maybe the “Ukrainian leaders” that were there were just lying too, huh?
Thats just single true in all of this text. 
Modern “exact number” change from “tens of thousands” to the “150 000”.
“150,000?” That number is never given in the text of this article. The only one changing numbers here is you. It actually states 33,000+ deaths were recorded, and “over” 100K were later killed!
Where did you get the “150,000?” Your ass? And the simple truth is that the Jews adn Communists were often killed first, and the other nationalities followed.
Here is exactly what the article says:
The massacre began on Sept. 29, 1941, when Soviet Kiev’s Nazi occupiers ordered all Jews to report to a ravine on the outskirts of town…But when they got there, the Jews were forced to undress and gather in lines along the ravine’s steep embankment. There, the Nazis machine-gunned down the crowd, killing at least 33,771 over 48 hours. In the ensuing months, the number of people killed at Babi Yar grew to more than 100,000.
Yea , just “dig up and bun” - too simple explanation where disappeared hundreds thousands of bodies. Look like Aushwitz-2.
Again, where does it say the bodies “disappeared?” Nobody is insinuating that the crime was covered up by making the bodies “disappear” by burning. When the bodies were dug up, most must have been in an advanced state of decomposition, they were hiding identities as much as anything. All that is said is that nearly 34,000 (presumably) Jews were killed in 48 hours, then 100,000 “people” (no exact ethnicity given) were later killed.
At least keep your latently anti-semitic comments based on the text…
Joe Stalin was good at making the bodies “disappear” too. I’m sure you have a problem with the Ukrainian gov’t as well, since the dominant Soviet Russians wiped out a number of Ukrainian Nationalists in a pogrom that continued well after WWII. And by deliberately exascerbating a 1930s famine, to get rid of their Ukrainian enemies.
Nick , this is bullshit .
My dad studied in soviet school in 1953-63 and from 3 class good knew the soviet version ( very magniful - about 300 000 or even 500 000 victims ) of Babi Yar. This was a “importaint part of soviet propoganda”. Like Aushwitz (Osvencim) - 4 millions “mythical” victims.
With single exception - the f…ng soviet propogandists never told about jews , they told about “soviet citizens”.
Do you feel the difference - they wish that all nations of USSR hated the germans like it did jews.
And this has what bearing on the article? That there is no way to tell how many victims!
Excellent Inspector Clueso!
And what the fuck does “Aushwitz,” or the Holocaust in general, have to do with this massacre?
Certainly Babiy Yar is the devil place of murduring many’s peoples. And of couse it need a memorial.
But if they’re Jews, it either didn’t happen, or their lives didn’t mean as much I suppose. :rolleyes:
But lie about Holocaust (“hundreds thousands” in Kiev or the “millions” in Aushwitz) this just the reason of hostinity to the jews (mostly normal and intelligent people) from the other nations.
This is tupical position of pro-jewish world mass-media.
Thank you for encapsulating your Nazi-esque antisemitic paranoia and propaganda in one succinct paragraph about the typical “Jewish controlled media” bullshit. Goebbels would be proud. It’s the same shit he used to demonize and isolate Jews from German society. BTW, if there was not Holocaust, where did the German Jews all go (the first to be killed)? There are almost none left, and I’m pretty sure you an verify that with pre-War Weimar censuses.
Who do talk today about million’s really perished civil of East-european native peoples: Russians, Poles , Belorussian and Ukrains from the fasists hands( espesially SS-commands).
Then fucking talk about it!! Whoever said you couldn’t!! Do you have “atrocity envy” or something?
I post one article relevant to WWII about Jews massacred, and you turn it into some holocaust denier rant that goes far beyond anything in the article!
If you are upset over the loss of non-Jewish Slavic peoples to Nazi atrocities, then by all means post articles about massacres.
Just sometimes could hear about 2 millions soviets soldiers who died in terrible conditions in fashists camps (where did look this f…g Red Cross).
It didn’t happen. It’s all a communist myth. Only two dozen Soviet soldiers died. Then rest were killed upon return to the USSR for being cowards an surrendering. It’s just a myth spun by the Russian controlled media.
Yeah, what about the German soldiers that were illegally held for over ten years after the war ended and used a slaves by the Soviet gov’t?
Do they count as unrepresented “victims” too?
Thanks to our polish friends we learned the terrible details of henocide during Warsaw uprising , where were perished about 200 000 peoples ( much more then in Babi Yar).
Yeah, an uprising you apparently believe that the Soviet Red Army failed to assist and conveniently halted their advance. Maybe 200,000 wouldn’t have died if they hadn’t, right?
Has the somebody day-remember of this tragedy except the poles?
No.
But every year all the world listen the accusations from the jews
There have been several programs I have viewed on it. So yes, people do remember apparently.
I’m sorry a fucking news article wasn’t posted on it today.
Here’s another article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/secondworldwar/story/0,,1864691,00.html
Maybe you’re assisting the German’s attempt to “rewrite history,” no?
So Nick , your forefathers are guilty that “was silence about Babi Yar” and , consequently , in Holocaust.
Did I ever say they weren’t? Maybe you’re guilty of Holocaust denial?
And your “forefathers” killed far more unarmed civilians than mine ever did.
It’s strange ,Moshe Kantor don’t worry about “world’s silence” of gipsys henocide in Ukrain , Moldavia and Russia. Because this is “low rase” not the jews (like poles, russians, ukrains and other.)
Therefore , dear Nick, somebody must be ready to pay money for the jews.
Switszaland , Germany now the Poland will has the court claims with demands of money compensation to the jews.
Amazing, Jews is single nation which could be capable to make money from its native tragedy in WW2.
And the Soviet Union didn’t “profit” from it’s victory by installing puppet states throughout Eastern Europe?
Riiiight! It’s was an elaborate plan to sacrifice their people so they could make money.
Cheers.
Fuck you and your “cheers” troll.
P.S.
On the case, if somebody would to name me as nazist or antisemite :
my grandfather was killed by fasists in 1942 and the family of my mom was on the face of hungry death during the Fascist occupation of my city Krasnodar(Northern Caucaus).
I haven’t any illusions about national- socialism.
No he wasn’t. You’re just making it up to get sympathy and money.
And one my close friend-jew told me about his interesting version of Holocaust-Bisness , just little part of compensation money get the real victim’s familis. On his oppinion the lion’s share of these money settles in the Jewish public and political organizations.
He very dislike this situation.
I have no idea what he means, but the actual payments are very small to individuals, and is mostly symbolic since German industry enjoyed and used victims as slave laborers.
It’s amazing. You start threads claiming Americans have a special penchant for being Nazis, and attack the bombing of Dresden as some special atrocity committed in a War full of them. Yet you have the gaul to claim that a simple article I posted as just a topical piece I saw in the news is some sort of a Jewish conspiracy.
You’re nothing but a troll… You’re agenda is pretty clear here.
No wonder why Jews have left Russia for Israel in droves. Tell your friend he might want to too, since in another situation, you might be just as likely to turn him in. If he exists at all.
And BTW. I’m not Jewish (as far as I know), and in fact I have had stupid people insinuate that I am anti-semitic at other message boards.
Because I have denounced the Israeli attack on Lebanon (which I thought was both counterproductive and a blatant butchering of Lebanese civilians masked as strikes against targets) and have decried the mindless “no strings attached” American support for Israel; a state that in my opinion engages in what is basically Apartheid against Palestinians. But this shit about quibbling over numbers of Holocaust victims is just nauseating.
