Fair one. Personally, I blame prohibition - to all accounts the US was actually brewing decent beer beforehand (if not quite up to Belgian/Czech/German/UK standards). Prohibition drove all those who knew how to do it out of business and meant that after repeal the consumers didn’t know any better when fed rubbish beers.
Thankfully at least some places in the US seem to be getting the message however. Now if only we can persuade you to use full size pint glasses, rather than calling a 3/4 size glass a “pint”…
Hmmm, I live in the Milwaukee Wi. area, home of brewing in the mid-west. (in the old days) and all of the brewers were German. so was the beer pretty much, now as to the rice/corn diluted stuff they make nowadays, I am told that WWII is the real culprit, I dont know for sure if its true, but it does sound good, That when the men all went off to war, Brewers were making a light, (weak) beer, of 3.2% alc. for G.I. consumption. enough to get a glow, but not to get sloppy. This, coupled with the women taking over the mobilized men’s jobs, gave them the opportunity to have a few beers after a shift, and it is said, the ladies did not like the domestic heavy germanic beers, so the entire market shifted after that, everyone was used to the “spaghetti water” beers.(sorry Panzerkancker,) And so it remains, but the micro brewers are bringing back all of the heavy ales, porters, doublebocks, and a number of new types, but all are full bodied, and stronger than Miller, and Busch, PBR, all of those. And there is a new type of beer, made by average people, who compete together for the best home brews, all having fancy labels, and odd names.
to the “spaghetti water” beers.(sorry Panzerkancker,)
Dont be, I am a wine man. :rolleyes:
Hello my friend, What type of tanks are those? Cant place them from the picture. i have a pic of a strange one, an early version, you will enjoy. (hope i didnt get it from here,)
Is the TAM, this is the LARS 160mm rocket launcher variant.
A very nice machine indeed. being variant capable is good too, common parts, and service makes it easy to operate in the field. What gun does it use as a tank?
The early TAMs have a nonlicensed a GIAT rifled 105 mm, the later vehicles a FM nonlicenced variant of the british L7.
The L7 was the rifle used on the m60 that was our MBT in the 70’s. It is a fine rifle, I always enjoyed using it. Sometimes during night fire practice, there were small lights placed at the tops of the target panels, so we could see them in the fog. the lights became the targets, and were soon gone… (time for a coffee break,) hitting a flashlight at 1200 mtr, at night, was not difficult with this rifle. 2 thumbs up!
Yea, the L7 was the best tank gun …until the Rheinmetal 120 mm smooth bore L44 arrive with the Leopard 2/ M1 abrams 
And I am sorry I gave you wrong information, the early TAMs used a french GIAT gun, not a unlicenced copy.
no problem my friend, we all make mistrakes. The Tam looks a little bit like the Sheridan light tank, except for the gun, it had a gun/launcher for the wire missile 152 mm. I cant spell in gaelic, Ha! shell-aye-lee missile. I always liked the sheridan, too bad its been taken out of service.
Yea, the Sheridan is definately a very interesting vehicle, too overgunned in my opinion, at list for that aluminium chassis.
The Tam weight about 33 tons, the rocket launcher a little more.
Hi P.K. Although I didnt get to train on the Sheridan,their school was next to ours, and black eyes were a common sight during fire week. The recoil was so severe, that most of the gunners got them. the 152 mm gun used a round that while not “caseless” had a combustable case, that was supposed to be incinerated upon firing, relieving the loader from having to deal with the spent case. A good idea, but it caused the loading sequence to be somewhat slow. the breach was powered, and had interlock lights to tell when it was safe to load. Not a thing I would want to be waiting on if a T-62, or 72 was swinging its main battery towards me,
Is slow yes, but I think that the M551 gun with a steadier plataform, ( let said a walker Bulldog or a M48 tank) would be more efficient.
It surely would, there was an M60 variant the A1-E2 that had a different turret, and mounted the 152mm gun/launcher.It was the first U.S. tank to mount a lazer rangefinder. prototypes were built, but it never saw general deployment.when I was in Germany, we were hoping the get them…or at least get to play with one…Edit: It is reported that 562 of the A1-E2 tanks were built, but there being so much trouble with the gun-launcher system, that it was withdrawn from service, and the hulls refitted as M60-A2, or bridge carriers. The cited reason was that the bore scavenging system was not clearing the smouldering bits of the previous shot from the tube, and causing subsequent loads to cook off. ( a very untidy event if the breech is still open.) It had a conventional interrupted screw breech, powered open/close.
Nice, I didnt know that was a 152 mm gunned M-60.
And this is also a rare bird. The project TAM TAP with 120 mm gun. More or less aTAM with a Leopard 2a4 turret.
Hmmm… more of a tank destroyer than anything else. Odd really - just about all of the rest of the world has moved to ATGWs instead of guns for tank destroyer type work… probably why it doesn’t seem to have gone anywhere.
I have my doubts about the capacities of the TAM turret ring to absorb the heavy recoil of the 120 mm smooth bore Rheinmetall in the TAP, even today the TAM if is standed over muddy terrain it recoil a few centimeters back when the main 105mm gun is fired.
I was thinking the same thing P.K. I trust the hull is steel, still, that is too much gun for such a small ring, and light hull. Unless the ammo is down loaded. I’d be reluctant to gun that one, if the turret comes loose, one might find himself half the man he used to be… :shock:
Which vehicle are you speaking of, the m60A1E2, or the TAP? if the E2, it is a tank, and was thought to be the replacement MBT for America.
The TAP. Full-on tank turret on a vehicle which is much more poorly armoured than an MBT.