We used to have a great, authentic German butcher in the town I grew up in, and he had some of the best sausage and kraut! But he’s long gone and we just have supermarkets, albeit above average ones here. 
My great grandmother was German-Swede, and my mother still occasionally makes authentic potato pancakes when I’m over for dinner - which I love more than life itself…
That is a very good question in light of freyir’s distinctions between pride in individual national achievements and national pride.
Here in Australia, as in other countries with signficant migrant populations which have no cultural, economic or other connection with the host country, there is a continuing question about whether some of the migrants we have admitted would fight for or be neutral or be against our nation in our current small wars or our next major war.
For my part, if they’re not prepared to fight for the country which they’re using for economic or refugee or asylum or any other benefit, protection or advantage, then they can fuck off. And the the sooner the better.
But back to Chevan’s question, I’d fight for the Allies. Not that there is necessarily any overwhelming reason for doing so, given that I’d just be supporting the profits of anti-Semites like Henry Ford who wanted the European war to go on forever as he was making profits from selling to both sides and that I’d be opposing the Japanese who had been magnificently screwed by America and Britain among other major nations as those latter nations exploited China and resented Japanese challenges there.
Actually, upon reflection, none of the nations involved in WWII were worth fighting for, because every one of them was trying to preserve or acquire some sort of colonial territory or advantage.
I will clarify what Hake Pate is…I may be spelling it wrong, but EVRY Good ol German knows and loves it!..it is what you non-Germans call Beef Tar Tar…but a real German knows it by the name of HUCK,or Haka Paeta…The way you eat Huck , is smeared raw on a buttered bun with lots of chopped onions and sprinkled with salt and pepper…it is to die for…it is the Bomb!..They use to say, once youve tried Huck, there’s no going back!..Huck is raw beef from a special side of the cow so you don’t need to cook it. I’ve read that some people put an egg on it and it like that, but that’s gross…the next time your in a German deli, ask for half a pound of Huck, (aka beef tar tar) (aka haka pate), and try it!..they also make pork, but Ive never tried it. I only know one deli in Toronto that sells Huck. I travel 1 hr just to buy it. It’s called Ruppelts deli. They also sell Fleish Salad which is yummy and Lax Schinken which is a very hard to find smoked deli meat and tastes super great!..When you make Gruener Kohl you put these sausages in the pot with Kale and add an onion and a litlle porridge to thicken it up. (It is not a cabbage…maybe your thiking of Rotecole which is made with red cabbage)
This is a dish you can’t find in any restaurant. It is something my mom would make on special occasions…And I find it very hard to believe that you don’t know what Haka Paeta is!..Every true German knows it and Loves it!..and if they don’t, then its probably because they have some polish blood in them and they’re not true German!..hahaha:mrgreen:
Hack- oder Hackepeter-Brötchen mit Zwiebeln (with onions). Tasty, just had it today. Problem is, you won’t get rid of the onion odour for the rest of the day.
BTW, could a thread possibly go further off-topic than this?
FTG your are definately right about that… not to add much to it but my grandmother was German and she made the best potatoe pancakes! I wish i could find the recipe for those. (with a nostalgic sigh)…
NO! I don’t think it’s off topic when a topic of more interest is introduced such as the topic of my Favourite Hackepeter sandwich.!!Long Live Hackepeter!!..One day they will call us Hackepeter’s , instead of Crouts! LOL!!!..I also forgot to mention Hearing Salad!..it’s pieces of hering in a mayo sauce with lots of onions. You eat it on a bun and it is also, the bomb!
Oh, and I almost forgot to mention Lopscow!..its mashed potato with corned beef and lots of chopped up pickle…It puts hair on your chest if you eat it!.yum yum!. Then there;s mustard eggs, but thats a whole new topic altogether!
…tonight, I will put on my Heintge record, pour a cool glass of malt beer and make a few Hackepeter sandwich’s…This is Living!
Yes, yes it could.
As for Hack-broetchen (or Weck as it would be called down where I come from):
Of course I know it. But I’ve never heard of it referred as Hake Pate?
…Never heard of Hake Pate…PLEASE…come on…come on…
You sure your not Polish;)?
Well, believe it or not, Germany has a huge variety of different Accents, etc. It is possible that someone from Hamburg, for example, might have a hard time understanding someone from Munich.
Accordingly, the local names for some things, especially things like food, are very different.
And no I’m not POLISH
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this is brutal…im sorry for the work but i just cant believe this has happened 
You have PM.
Read it and understand.
Really?
I guess that the Einsatzgruppen must have misunderstood the order and just decided to kill Russians who weren’t Jews.
Possibly because the Einsatzgruppen were carrying out the Nazi policy of exterminating eastern Untermensch.
Soldat39, you look like a troll to me. Don’t confirm my view by posting more idiotic shit justifying race hate crimes by the Nazis, or I’ll exterminate you.
Goodbye, GAR…
I got beaten to the punch. 
Meanwhile, WTF is GAR?
A boring, unfunny troll cunt that likes to post from California libraries and stalk mostly Van Halen and music message boards. Mainly, so he can pretend to be an expert via Google and Wiki.
He is to guitars what Ironman was to weapons…
Ah Ha!
Understood.
Y’all exterminated soldat39 so completely I don’t even see him in the members list!:mrgreen:
Either Californian libraries are rather scant on WWII material, which I doubt, or Numb Nuts failed to avail himself of the resources therein before posting his idiotic opinions on matters military.
I am only responding to the remark about California History Classes or education. There is NONE.
I am volunteering at one of our local Elementary Schools in Pennsylvania.
They are getting next to NOTHING about the World Wars or any wars and very little of our own US History.
American youth will soon be the least educated and least knowledgeable people on earth.
The same sort of complaint is often made here in Australia, but I’m not sure whether it’s the case that history isn’t taught or that students don’t remember it and or don’t see it as important.
We’ve had ‘history wars’ and ‘culture wars’ here for the past few decades as the right and left / conservatives and liberals (the latter not to be confused with the Liberals, who are one of our two major political parties and very conservative) argue for their versions of history and what should be taught, so they can impose their version of our past on future generations.
I’d be happier if no rigid version of history was taught but if people were given the facts rather than interpretations and then equipped to research and analyse the past. Which I think is pretty much what our educators try to do, by presenting challenging versions of our past. That probably appeals to at most 10% of the student population, and nothing will change that.
Sometimes it gets absurd under the pressure of political dogma of one side or another, such as a leftish text several decades ago which referred to our soldiers as ‘harm workers’ against the pervasive and more recent conservative bullshit that no living generation of Australians ever did anything which warrants apologising to Aborigines for demolishing their pre-European existence by confiscating their country and pushing them to and even beyond the social, economic and political margins.
For what it’s worth, my daughter has just done a WWI history unit in Year 10 (3rd last year of high school), so even that fairly ancient history is still being taught and, I think, is vaguely known by many of our young people. As this photo of those attending last year’s dawn service at Gallipoli shows, some young people are well aware of that aspect of our history and attend the sevice to remember our fallen. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/10000-gather-at-gallipoli/2008/04/25/1208743220307.html
