Fake or Real?

I have seen actual combat footage from Iraq, including an incident where insurgents attempted to attack a Marine patrol in a bus and were promptly gunned down.

the majority were killed in the pacific theatre … and i said the majority of the 10% of real combat footage were taken there :wink:

Whose private property? For all you know they could be on a FIBUA range in the States, in which case it is their own private property that is being destroyed.
From that video, I’m 80% certain that is some form of FIBUA/MOUT range in the majority of the video - the action takes place in a very small area of buildings with desert all around.

How do you know this, because you saw it on YouTube? Have you ever actually had anything to do with the military, or thought properly about the problems involved in FIBUA/MOUT? The answers to all that are rather blatantly obvious from your posts, but being as I’m a moderator I figure I ought to be at least polite and give you a chance to dig yourself into an even deeper rhetorical hole.

I call bullshit. All coalition forces deployed in Iraq regularly find themselves in similar situations and act in similar manners. There are few cases where forces from multiple coalition countries act together, but they are rare in any ops in theatre - it’s a simple C2 issue, and the same reason the US Army and Marines rarely work together. A force with homogeneous doctrine and equipment will always find it easier to work as a team, and FIBUA/MOUT (or Fish & Chips* if you have a sense of humour like mine) is one of the most difficult of military operations to maintain command & control in. I’ve done it in training as a platoon commander and it was absolute chaos - and I’ve no doubt that some of the other board members have done it for real.
Finally, there are cases where coalition forces work together on individual operations, but they’re mainly limited to special forces work where the unit sizes involved make C2 less of an issue. As an example, a number of UKSF personnell are deployed to Baghdad and work closely with the US troops there.

  • Fighting In Someone’s House & Causing Havoc In Public Spaces

“Don Morrow and some of his photographic colleagues in Italy were tired of frontline troops dersively teasing them about being rear echelon men, so they did a little checking. Line infantry units normally had about 10% casualties, but photographers took 25% casualties.”
Peter Maslowski, Armed with Cameras: The American Military Photographers of World War II, The Free Press, New York, 1993, p.301

Maslowski notes some other casualty rates:

Marine Photo Corps sections close to 50% casualties Iwo Jima and 37% on Okinawa.

OIC CPU #10 wounded twice and two of his three men received Purple Hearts while serving in Sicily, Italy and Southern France.

Six KIA in 163rd SPC, and 30 more, not all cameramen, got Purple Hearts.

Photographer Edward H Peterson had a Purple Heart and three Oak Leaf Clusters.

I doubt that … don`t think that you can act like that on an OPSERVET FIBUA/FOFO firering rage by rambaging and firering like crazy on cats and dongs the way this guys doing it.

just show me one picture of an FIBUA/FOFO firering rage in the united states that have this kind of buildings … their are normaly made of simple concret buildings and your not suposed to destroy them in the way you see in this video … they are there to train troops in close rage combat …

btw here`s the whole video …
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-8387475482766805845&q=operation+spear&total=69&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

FIBUA / MOUT / FOFO

One of the many things I detest about the modern world is the endless generation of pompous long-winded terms and subsequent acronyms when there are perfectly adequate terms with more meaning.

Collateral damage. WTF does that mean?

Surgical strike. (Note how people collaterally damaged in a surgical strike look different to the intended targets. E.G. Their shrapnel wounds don’t hurt and their burns are superficial, and collaterally damaged dead just get up and resume life like nothing had happened.)

As for FIBUA etc, house to house fighting conveyed meaning even to those with no military knowledge.

The function of much modern management / government / military language is to conceal reality. Often from the idiots who spout it to each other. Which enables them to delude themselves that defeats are just temporary reverses, strategic withdrawals, etc etc.

‘Foo-Foo Lamour’ used to run Foo-Foo’s Palace in Machester. :slight_smile: