Bloody Silver Surfers get everywhere… :lol:
I suppose this means I should watch my language, bu…:oops: ahem…drat
Erwin, the UN or the Red Cross should have evidence of the atrocities you allege if they occured (and they probably translate everything into Spanish just to keep translators on the gravy-train). So why don’t you have a look there for a truely independent source?
Edited for grammar.
Festamus you should should have been in bed when you posted last.
No hot toast and marmite for you young lad.
Also Erwin, my young whippersnapper, the picture in my avatar by pure coninicedence is my cousin.
Her side of the family moved to America and opened a plane painting shop.
Erwin, Erwin, Erwin…
You don’t seem to be able to do any write for doing wrong do you?
Stick to the topics you know about, and try not to make daft comments. I know this will have an almost critical effect on your post count climbing speed, but try it.
You’re can’t make general on post count any way, you know.
Out of an interest inspired by other threads, I am looking at International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC, www.icrc.org) and Amnesty Internations (www.amnesty.org)reports on war crimes that either took place during the Falklands War or were committed by Gurkhas.
International Committee of the Red Cross
Falklands War:
Using the search terms Falklands War on the English section of the site, 13 hits are returned. Of these:
5 refer to the problems caused by unexploded munitions, in particular the indescriminate sowing of anti-personnel mines
1 refers to Information Warfare
1 refers to a book on the Law of Armed Conflict
1 refers to the role of the medical profession in armed conflict
1 refers to the Kosovo campaign
1 refers to the Geneva Conventions. The context is Naval Warfare, where the sinking of the Belgrano ‘raises issues’ with the precise definition of exclusion zones. No allegation of wrongdoing is made.
1 refers to the obligation of states to respect the Law of Armed Conflict. The Falklands references are to do with the European trade embargo against Argentina and Uruguay’s provision of neutral assistance for repatriation of wounded and prisoners of both sides.
1 refers to the psychological impact of Armed Conflict.
Only one refers to war crimes
http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList74/FF13D0E5BF2B824AC1256B66005F0154
Only mention is:
The core treaties of international humanitarian law are the four Geneva Conventions for the Protection of War Victims, of 12 August 1949. The year 1999 marked the 50th anniversary of those Conventions, which today bind 188 States. It might be thought that this was an event to celebrate, yet a sober look at what has happened on the world’s battlefields since the Second World War is more likely to be cause for dismay. True, the rules of international humanitarian law were by and large observed in “traditional” or “conventional” wars such as those fought in Korea, Viet Nam, the Middle East, on the Falklands/Malvinas and in the Gulf region. In spite of a number of horrendous exceptions, international humanitarian law did protect thousands of victims of those conflicts. But the face of the modern battlefield has undergone a fundamental change.
Entire paragraph is quoted, bold typeface added by me for emphasis.
Gurkhas:
Using the search terms Gurkha on the English section of the site, 5 hits are returned. Of these:
1 refers to an expedition to Nepal, where a the party happened to meet a Gurkha at Kathmandu airport.
1 refers to exchanging a few words with a Gurkha on peacekeeping dutied.
1 refers to cluster bombs
1 refers to zero-casualty warfare. The actual mention of Gurkhas appears in a reference.
1 refers to operations in Liberia.
None refer to war crimes.
Amnesty International
Falklands War:
Searching for the term Falklands War gives 25 hits (although curiously I couldn’t find those words in some of the hits returned).
10 referred to the War on Terror
5 referred to the Balkans wars.
The others referred to the Internation Criminal Court, the Thai war on drugs, Law of Armed Conflict, Women/Children and War, Liberian elections, internal repression by the Chinese, Egyptian internments and Landmines.
Gurkhas:
Two hits returned for the search term Gurkha.
The first refers to allegation of rape in Kenya by British troops stationed there.
The second refers to the maoist insurgency in Nepal and associated conflict.
After about an hour or so’s work, I have yet to find any allegations or investigations of war crimes committed by either side in the Falklands War or by Gurkhas at all by these organisations
Aside:
In case there is any doubt about the search techniques I used, a simple search by the same method with the term Nazi returned 235 hits from the ICRC and three from amnesty. It should be noted that that search term will also return hits as part of ‘neo-nazi’.
Falklands War:
Searching google with the term “War Crimes” AND “Falklands War” returns 4430 hits. The majority of the early hits refer to the swift reaction of the UK in fear of war crimes being committed against the Falkland Islanders. Pages further back discuss the sinking of the Belgrano and the shooting of an Argentine party attempting to surrender.
Aside: This was investigated, and rules as being a genuine mistake during the confusion of battle. It was not a war crime
Gurkhas:
Searching google with the term “War Crimes” AND Gurkha returns only 622 hits. The fourth is this site. The overwhelming majority of the hits refer to Gurkhas assisting in the capture of War Crimes suspects.
In the interests of keeping this topic going.
I will state for the record right now, that I will not respond to any bateing and keep my cool.
I will also research and bring to the topic the “propaganda” that the British put out reference the Gurkhas.
This included things like they never take prisoners, pictures of them sharpening their kukris and, my favourite, the famous boot lacing techniques of the British Army.
Perhaps Eagle or Erwin could present the “propaganda” presented to their troops by their government prior to the war also.
Lets have a MASS Debate!!!
Oi 1000 !
Be fair - what you’re suggesting would gag him completely.
Hmmm.
If I search for “indescriminate sowing of anti-personnel mines” on www.libreonions.ar will it come up with Gurkha Engineers ?
Cuts wrote
If I search for “indescriminate sowing of anti-personnel mines” on www.libreonions.ar will it come up with Gurkha Engineers ?
In fact Cuts it probably will one way or the other on many sites.
After all the QGE, like many other units of the Royal Engineers, ROAC/RLC and other EOD units of the British Army have been involved in the lifting of these mines that were scattered by the Argentine forces with no real records kept, if indeed any records were even made.
This is, incidentally, a war crime. The keeping of accurate records on the positions of minefields is covered by a host of international treaties including the Geneva and Hague conventions.
see here www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList571/9ABFD815FB1E7D73C1256B660059F59C
Those of you that may wish to remove these killing fields from our planet can “adopt a minefield” here www.landmines.org.uk
Will it write me letters to let me know how it’s getting on in school?
Probably not, festamus, also it is probably one of the few things that you will adopt to make it die out!!!
WARNING FOLLOWING LINK MAY OFFEND AND CONTAINS ABUSE OF ARABS, ALTHOUGH ONLY THE ONES THAT KILL INNOCENT CIVIALIANS!!!
DO NOT ENTER IF YOU THINK IT MAY OFFEND!!!
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
www.nicedoggie.net/archives/2005/07/time_for_class.php
This link is to a site that is basically winding up the terrorist/fundamentalist arab symphathiesers. It does however have the following.
I know it isn’t falklands war propaganda but it is similar and allows you to see the sort of thing bandied about today about the Gurkha.
As mentioned it is directed at the Arab terrorists who have cut off prisoners heads.
But you are so much tougher, right?
You obviously haven’t met this young man and his friends yet:
That’s a mean looking knife, isn’t it? Not near as mean as the young Gurkha holding it, rest assured of that. He loves his knife, he keeps it razor sharp, and he enjoys the sound of air hissing out of the gaping hole left in the throat of his enemy when he slits it from one ear to another.
But you can’t really see it in that picture, so let’s take another one:
Pretty, isn’t it? Nothing like those rusty pieces of crap that you **** **** use when you’re amateurishly hacking off the heads of unarmed, gagged and bound civilians.
And our young friend isn’t likely to be whooping it up, shouting and hollering to keep his courage up when using that nice throat slitter. Oh no, quite to the contrary. He’s quiet, very very quiet. So quiet in fact, Ahmed, that you won’t know he was there until the sun comes up and your friend Mahmoud lays next to you in a pool of his own blood with his head half severed from his body.
And what’s even more fun, Ahmed, is that you just know that he’ll be back, just as quiet and deadly as the night before. Maybe he’ll come for you this time, maybe he won’t, but there’ll be one less of your friends around when the sun comes up, night after night after night.
After a while you’ll find yourself praying that it’s your turn next time, just to set you free from the indescribable terror, the knowledge that your death is inevitable and that it’ll be silent, deadly and bloody.
Because there’s not a thing you can do to stop it. These guys are as invisible and as silent as Death itself, which is hardly surprising considering that Death is what they are.
And they’re coming for you, Ahmed. They’re coming for you.
This sort of thing would really make your day, especially on a lonely night stag!!!
The “Silent Death” is the sort of thing that has long been associated with the Gurkha.
Edit for pictures.
Gen. Sandworm has pointed out the difficulty with banning discussion of the Falklands War. However, to discuss it without a flame war, certain guidelines must be laid down. What should these guidelines be? They need to be fair to both sides. The most important that I can think of would be for us to set the acceptable standard of proof. How can this be done?
All the flame wars over the falklands boil down to either:
Stupid Lies: i.e. The HMS Invincible was sunk.
Evil Lies: The Gurkhas committed war crimes.
Both have been shown to be as described.
The heated discussion develops around the subject of sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. The question is how to restrict the debate so that the lies above can be stamped on quickly, without stifling the proper debate. I’m very interested to hear the thoughts of other mods and admins on this matter.
Erwin
and ireland (not northern ireland) is a beautiful place with friendly people like australia.
Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic (Eire) are both very beautiful places with a few grotty bits, both North & South. As an Englishman abroad, I’ve never been welcomed with anything but the warmest regards both North and South, in both communities.
Before you tell us how terrible it is to be a Catholic in Northern Ireland, perhaps you would try it? I remember an American chat show host asking Gerry Adams when he though the Catholics would get the vote. I don’t know if he was being serious, but Adams had the good grace to look embarrased and admit that the Catholics of the North had had the vote for many years (otherwise it would be mighty difficult to elect Members of Parlaiment).
Speaking as a Catholic, I find your views of the Protestant church a little strange. I guess you don’t meet many.
Funnily enough, all the Argentinians I’ve met (only about 6 or 8 to be fair) have been charming. Perhaps I’ll meet some more one day.
Incidentally, you’re right about the Aussies being a friendly bunch with a beautiful country.
any search of malvinas,crimenes de guerra britanicos,asesinatos impunes en la guerra de malvinas por los britanicos,and la tirana tatcher?
im not going to post here,your stupid rules are partidary (or what you want to call them)
goodbye
yes,also you are the NATO!,what you suppose them to say?
nuts
Ah, so searching Argentinian sites will find evidence, but searching the Red Cross, Amnesty International and Google doesn’t?
What does that say to you Erwin?
Erwin wrote
im not going to post here,your stupid rules are partidary (or what you want to call them)
What rules? As far as I am aware the normal rules of the site apply.
Unless you mean that Amnisty International is wrong. Perhaps www.libreonions.com should take its rightful place on the world stage as the upholder of human rights?
yes,also you are the NATO!,what you suppose them to say?
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Erwin, do you honestly believe that NATO, and the UN are the same ?
Do you think that the IRC is the same as the UN ?
Please exlain your post.
I always thought that the Red Cross was an international movement that stood for humans rights regardless of where they are based and who may have affected the said human rights.
OF COURSE I may be wrong and they could just be an extension of NATO with strong ties to UK, and thus would never drag our name through the mud of human rights violations.
My bold
I hope this doesn’t come as a surprise to you young man, but you just did !
