Erwin tell the roast beef how the monkeys used to eat your children when they stole your house
And everyone knows that amnesty Interantional are jhsut a puppet of the majestic twelve formed int hte wake of the roswell incident!
incidentally Latin machismo has a name, his name is Ferrino!.jpg)
Erwin: Your post deleted for two reasons. The first is that I asked for the opinions of mods and admins, not ex mods, mods and admins.
The second is that I cannot be arsed to read through more stupid claptrap about sinking the invincible, meeting Elvis, UFOs, and so on and so forth. If you want to tell lies, tell them to the world at large, you silly liar.
Your further posts on this thread will be deleted with no explanation.
What Erwin means to say is that he concedes that his allegations are based on total lies and cruel malice. He further apologises for the offence caused by his lies about the Gurkhas. He retracts the allegations and hopes that we can continue on good terms despite his previous errors in judgement.
Did he fuck! hes just drawing breath, opening a new account in which he will “become” a Malvinas Campaign veteran in order to “report” and embelish all his stories thus substantiating and vindicating his claims.
Ah, so searching Argentinian sites will find evidence, but searching the Red Cross, Amnesty International and Google doesn’t?
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Of course not. You must know that a close group of nations manages this international groups, like the Red Cross, United Nations, International Monetary Found, and organizations like that only talk about the powerfull nations texts, like Britain, United States.
It seems to be that you don’t know how the world is managed. Why don’t you look to the north american cinema? In all the movies the Vietnam people are the bastards or devil people, and american soldiers are angels who were sent to the war, but they don’t commite murderers or things like that.
You can see the History Channell’s documentaries. In a documentary of the South Atlantic War, when they put images from the Task Force, a military honour song was put. When pictures of the military forces from Argentina were showed, the music was like a terror film.
When they named the british Georgias atack, they said “The british forces, fortunetly, recovered the Georgias” FORTUNETLY???
When they named the Bluffcove atack, they said “We had to lament an atack where british people died”. Lament?
It suppose to be a neutral country where the documentary was did!!!
Try to understand the the history which is showed to all over the world, and all the international organizations which are taken as INTERNATIONAL, is only a management of the Powerful Nations
Ah, so searching Argentinian sites will find evidence, but searching the Red Cross, Amnesty International and Google doesn’t?
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Of course not. You must know that a close group of nations manages this international groups, like the Red Cross, United Nations, International Monetary Found, and organizations like that only talk about the powerfull nations texts, like Britain, United States.
It seems to be that you don’t know how the world is managed. [/quote]
With all due respect Eagle, the UN and the IRC don’t work like that.
I realise that you’ve not had the opportunity to experience the world at large first hand, but reliance on what you’ve been told often manifests itself with comments such as this.
Yes the richer countries are often mentioned, generally because they have the wherewithall to assist these organisations without breaking their banks.
Perhaps you’ve not had access to the same films that we have.
I don’t see many movies these days but while the type you mention are sure to exist, the majority are not quite like that.
Perhaps because most people in the world consider an invasion on a poorly defended agricultural people to be an unprovoked attack which deserved the music played. Lets face it, the people that have lived there for the past two hundred years or so were definitely not happy with the invasion were they ?
But the company that made the documentary does not have to confirm to that country’s political leanings.
Besides, was it the UN or the IRC that made the film ?
No, it’s not quite like the propaganda paints it.
I hope that in the future you will be able to travel the world and see how things really are.
Regards,
Cuts
War Crimes Comitted By The Gurkahs seems to be a thread of hot debate, I think it could pose a potential problem in the future though, what is your guys oppinion?
Eagle wrote
It seems to be that you don’t know how the world is managed. Why don’t you look to the north american cinema? In all the movies the Vietnam people are the bastards or devil people, and american soldiers are angels who were sent to the war, but they don’t commite murderers or things like that.
My red, What films have you seen, Disney? Take it you’ve never seen Platoon or similar?
Specificaly the scene in which an American soldier kills a Vietnamese Village leader?, or when the American soldiers go off to rape one of the Villagers? Not very angelic really is it?
In the countries you mention we have, for quite some time, free press amongst other rights.
If you want to produce a film that slates the government you can. The only rules are that what you put in the film MUST be true, and you can prove it.
Obviously if Erwin made films in Britain he would be going from court to court by now. However it is possible to make films in Britain that would slant the story the either way.
I remember seeing a film at school about the Falklands, in it a young conscript is hiding in a shed, the Islanders tell the Brits. A British Section come to the barn. They tell him to come out, he is scared, and doesn’t eventually he is shot, and the British soldiers hear his mum talking to him on his personall sterio.
None of the film glorified war, the brits or anything. It showed the affects of the war, death and a great deal of emotional distress.
Films of tally ho, get the huns, back in time for tea and medals have long been supplanted by gritier, more true to life, films.
Try not to make sweeping statements on a world that you clearly do not no anything about.
If the IRC and UN were always on “our” side then they wouldn’t report us or condem us for our mistakes, alledged or otherwise.
i.e. Iraqi prisoner abuses.
And the one I mentioned earlier. When a Chinese led commitee accused Britian of “not do enough” to protect children.
Do you know that IRC and UN councils are made up of countries other than Britian and the USA?
I think you stance is dictated by the fact the UN have not jumped to it and given you the Falklands, therefore they are wrong because you are right.
I am just a little boy, I live in Buenos Aires.
I believe in justice, truth and right, and in little fairies.
My country is persecuted because we want some islands.
But another naughty country owns those same said islands.
So now I blame everyone because we can not own them.
When really I should blame the stupid nationalistic pride, lation egomania and some very deluded Latin America politcos and of course the bone heads who took my country to war with a conscript army, that was really quite poorly equiped and ill trained for real war, but quite good at fighting its own populace, and I liek to say that the naughty country was bad and commited war crimes when my own country is hardly a beacon of democracy and lets forget the disappeared, the napalm at goose green and teh fact that we wre the aggressors!!!
I tell porkies, no body likes me, no one likes my counrty…
Von himmle no we will not let you go
Let me go
No
Yes
No
Yes
no
If the US/UK control the ICRC and Amnesty International so effectively, why did my searches on matters unrelated to the current Iraq conflict turn up so many blistering attacks on the current governments of both countries? For this theory to be true, both governments have gone to great lengths to cover up war crimes in the Falklands, but not bothered in the current far more politically sensitive Iraq campaign.
As for Erwin’s suggested search terms, they would have turned up very little as I searched in the English sections of the site. I believe Amnesty and the ICRC both have Spanish language sections. If our Argentine members perform their own searches there and report back in similar detail to that given in the first post on this thread, I’d be very happy to read and comment on what they find.
I’m glad it’s a topic pf hot debate. Forums thrive on hot debate. What I am hoping is that it remains as such and doesn’t descend into a flame war.
My suggestions on why this is the case:
- It’s a fairly new thread, and the good humour associated with new threads has yet to fade away.
- The terms of the discussion are very closely framed. If we stick to those, then hopefully it will continue as discussion not shouting.
As the thread ages, maybe we can learn how to manage discussion threads on such highly controversial topics.
As long as their findings aren’t the drivel spouted in www.libreonions.com etc!!!
By all means Eagle and Erwin, search all crimes on the site, you will find many commited by Britian, why would we just cover the ones up from 1982?
I’ll give you your starter for 10…
They covered up the acts of 1982 to keep the Falklands…
That’s a good point Crab
In the Words of the GREAT Freddie Mercury - I should now like to express my sentiments to the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody!
I see a little sillouhetto of a Scam.
Scarramoush ScarraMoush.
Didn’t we sink the Belgrano?
Dunderheads and Lying
Really are defying me.
Kill a dago Kill a dago, Kill a dago ConscriptO
Galtieri NO - he shouldnt have made conscripts go
Galtieri NO - He shouldnt have conscripts go
Bastard made them Go
Made them
go -o -o -o -o -oo -oh oh.Downing street has a task force set aside for thee
for thee
for THEeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeEEee#dum der der der der der#
So you think you can steal them, we’ll wave them bye-bye
So you think you can take them, Well we’d rather you die!Oh Erwin. cant take them from us Erwin
Its just not your right.
Its just not your right y’fucking Queer!
Ahh the joys of having no work.
In truely Erwinesque form (not to mention the slab of becks i have consumed today)…
There appear to have been many threads on this small conflict.
The FACTS are:
The United Kingdom has held Sovereignty over these islands for far more time than Argentina - most recently for over 170 years.
The People of the islands wish to remain British Citizens.
The Belgrano was an enemy warship & therefore fair game, even if tied up in harbour.
The Invincible wasn’t even hit, never mind sunk (I visited her in 1980 & again in 1983 & a certain piece of equipment still carried the same Serial No.).
The Gurkha’s played a late & minor part in the fighting & DID NOT cut off prisoners ears.
A very few Naval & RAF Harriers, which are entirely subsonic in their whole flight envelope, fought off & defeated the whole Argentine Air Force, which included far faster, more combat oriented aircraft such as the Mirage III.
The UK armed forces operated at the end of an 8,000 mile logistics chain, with insufficient troops by anyones measure & defeated a better equipped but poorly trained opponent with a far shorter LoC.
This episode happened 23 years ago & defined the future of the Falkland Islands for many years to come - they WILL NOT become part of Argentina.
Want to know why?
Oil.
welcome to the forum mate!,
is there a big quantity of oil in the falklands?
This whole “it’s all for oil” thing seems to get applied to everything these days.
So it had nothing to do with the 2000 or so British citizens effectively taken prisoner by a vicious dictatorship via a full military invasion of British sovereign terrority? 
Frankly, the notion is nonsense…
Were there any proven oil reserve in 1982? I know they’re exploring for it now, in 2005, but I haven’t found much evidence of actual finds, yet alone production, some 23 years late. They’ve been looking since 1993 from what I can gather, but have found nothing.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iea2002/table81.xls
Falkland Islands as at Jan 1, 2003
Crude oil reserves. (billion barrels)
0.0
Natural gas reserves (trillion cubic feet)
0.0
The United Kingdom itself therefore has more oil reserves under the North Sea than the Falklands Island. The Falkland Islands probably make far more from fishing ($40 million/pa in fishing licences sold) than from anything to do with Oil. Indeed, the ever-useful CIA world fact book lists natural resources as " fish, squid, wildlife, calcified seaweed, sphagnum moss". No oil mentioned there. The islands are self financing, apparently, in all but defence.
And hey, if you are still convinced it’s all about oil for the British to want to keep the Falklands, here’s in a final twist in the tale - the UK is a net EXPORTER of oil. It makes more from it’s North Sea rigs than it uses. Argentina on the other hand, despite having no citizens there, and only a highly debatable historical claim to the islands, wants the islands… and is also a net oil producer. Not worth going to war over non-existant oil-fields is it? (the oil is there, it turns out much later, but not exploitable).
No oil link here I’m afraid mate.
EDIT: I know this whole “it’s all about oil” thing is very fashionable lately. I’ve even seen someone claim that Standard Oil was responsible for virtually every major war of the 20th century… Foil hat stuff.